Hedge Fund Losses From Epic Valeant Rout Estimated at $5.3B

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by dealmaker, Mar 16, 2016.

  1. destriero

    destriero


    Nowhere in his description (of Ackman's projectile-diarrhea R/R synth short) does it mention that he has risk to the puts, other than stating that he's short puts. The graph is a joke. He also states that Nomura needed to buy stock, well no shit, they're sitting on short synthetic shares. No way that Nomura lost a dime.
     
    #21     Mar 17, 2016
  2. Yeah, sure, he's just plotting the usual PNL at expiry graph...

    At any rate, this stuff, frankly, boggles the mind.
     
    #22     Mar 17, 2016
  3. destriero

    destriero

    Anyway, Matt Levine's graph is jank. No x,y detail. It could be cumulative and Ackman's net for all eternity. Who knows? My point is that THE RISK is in the short puts, and they're never mentioned, other than in the accounting of the initial debit.
     
    #23     Mar 17, 2016
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I think it was understood as a proxy for long stock. Levine is a competent journalist.

    Nomura must have killed it. prob made the edg desks year.
     
    #24     Mar 17, 2016
  5. destriero

    destriero


    I disagree (Levine). The puts aren't mentioned in terms of risk. He refers only to the upside calls. Makes zero sense.
     
    #25     Mar 17, 2016
  6. Levine aside, one other curious bit, which may or may not be interesting, is Pershing selling a chunk of Mondelez ($834mm proceeds). Now call me a cynic, but I have a sneaky suspicion that it's not all in preparation for possible upcoming redemptions.
     
    #26     Mar 17, 2016
  7. zdreg

    zdreg

    why do you think the graph is a joke?
     
    #27     Mar 17, 2016
  8. destriero

    destriero


    haha you don't say! Pershing is under $5B in AUM inside twelve months.
     
    #28     Mar 17, 2016
  9. They're quoting him on CNBC now... "We don't use margin leverage." What does that even mean?
     
    #29     Mar 17, 2016
  10. destriero

    destriero


    We don't wear short shorts... he's leveraged to gamma. It's analogous to stating that he's not leveraged when shorting a six dollar put in SPX.
     
    #30     Mar 17, 2016