FACT CHECK: Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Brass, Aug 30, 2012.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Somewhere right above or below the Democratic Party.
     
    #21     Aug 30, 2012
  2. hughb

    hughb

    Yep brass, even if he is being contextually dishonest. Welcome to reality, where the idealogues on a chat board become irrelevant.

    Of course Obama was referring to infrastructure when he admonished business owners to remember that they didn't build that. So what? He's shouldn't be admonishing business owners in the first place, and he exposed himself as the anti-business, class warfare socialist that he is. Both campaigns are going to twist, exaggerate and even lie just as every campaign in American history that preceded them. You and your antagonists here can go into conniptions, which is what you both want to do in the first place.
     
    #22     Aug 30, 2012
  3. That sentence alone renders you an "irrelevant ideologue".
     
    #23     Aug 30, 2012
  4. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    ...for Obama?
    I voted for Ron Paul in my states primary. In 2010 I voted mostly libertarian and independent, even for one democrat. A first for me. In November I will not for for a single incumbent. NOT ONE, regardless of party.
    I'm as serious about true government reform as anyone here. BUT I'm also convinced that we HAVE to rid ourselves of Obama. And that, unfortunately, means voting for Romney.
     
    #24     Aug 30, 2012
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    ABO IS a plan you servile moron.
     
    #25     Aug 30, 2012
  6. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Is that written in the politicians manual?
     
    #26     Aug 30, 2012
  7. hughb

    hughb

    The America Board of Opthamology has no plan whatsoever to turn this country around.
     
    #27     Aug 30, 2012

  8. Simply, he was pointing out stuff like the simple fact the Internet came out of gov't research.
    That, and stuff like this: 119 days to start a business in Brazil, 6 in the US, on average.
    Obvious if you're not a political operative; it's a pretty non-controversial point outside of the ridiculous extreme of the right the Republicans now represent. They're so far out they're off the map.
     
    #28     Aug 30, 2012
  9. hughb

    hughb

    Agreed, the govt has done more than just a few things to help us build an infrastucture conducive to success in the private sector. He still shouldn't be admonishing business owners about it though, because it's a continuous loop. Business and government need each other, and if Obama is going to admonish business owners like they are petulant children he needs to get flushed on election day.

    According to the World Bank survey, the USA is the fourth friendliest place in the world to do business. You could have used Haiti, ranked dead last, to make your point even clearer.
     
    #29     Aug 30, 2012
  10. This is right out of the manual:
    To gain power, you must fragment the masses. Together they have too much power and so we must work out methods on how to break them apart. To do this you must play them against each other so that the focus does not land on you. You must use their class, their ethnicity, their color, their tribes, their religion, their consumerism, their materialistic tendencies and their hope against them. You must play the instigator from afar. Never allow them to see you pulling the strings. Use pawns to do your dirty work. Use defective pawns to instil fear and hate within the crowd. Then, like a modern day messiah, you come in and provide solutions to bring everyone back together under your vision. They'll love you for it. You'll be the bringer of peace. The joiner of cultures. Break the crowd to own the man.

    The Illusion of Democracy:
    Give people hope and you can string them along forever. Dangle a rope in front of a cat and it will play till it's tired. So you keep dangling more ropes until it's too tired to do anything. That's when you slay the curious cat. It's human nature to want to be in control. So this is where we make the people think that they have the power. How do we do this? Well, it's quite simple and the structure is already in place due to the ingenuity of our progenitors. Quite simply, the entire voting system is a sham. We utilize the media to hype up the process of voting and we as the Politici encourage it as much as possible. Once a person votes, they feel as though they've done their part and are content. The person who is going to take over the abdicated position has already been chosen by the Politici community behind the scenes. So we let the public bicker and fight amongst themselves. It distracts them from what's really going on. And hence, we fabricate an illusion of democracy.

    Full disclosure. I stole, err, borrowed this from another source.:D Pretty much nails it though, don't you think?
     
    #30     Aug 30, 2012