Everything's correlated? :(

Discussion in 'Trading' started by lentus, Aug 28, 2019.

  1. lentus

    lentus

    Let's say I want to play risk-off (just an example, let's not deepdive into whether that's a good idea etc). Great.

    I'm long:
    gold
    silver
    yen
    swissie
    long-term govt bonds of developed nations

    Short:
    equities
    oil

    Isn't all of this highly correlated and effectively just one trade? If so, how do I find uncorrelated asset classes?
     
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  2. Nobert

    Nobert

  3. lentus

    lentus

  4. tomorton

    tomorton

    Yes, most large markets are more or less correlated with risk, positively or negatively and traders should consider whether they want the risk of multiple correlating positions.

    But apart from that what is your objection to correlating markets? Correlation is a useful indicator that obviously doesn't print anything in uncorrelating market charts.
     
  5. lentus

    lentus

    Because I don't want to have essentially one big trade instead of multiple different smaller ones.
     
  6. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    This is the CME QuickStrike Cross Correlation allocation tool.
     
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  7. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC

    If everything is highly correlated, monitor the correlation and run a stat-arb when it diverges. In theory, that should de-correlate your absolute returns (I think...I'm not a spreader).
     
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    To answer your thread title question...

    Everything is not correlated. For example, Bitcoins, Penny Stocks and BUND futures. :D

    wrbtrader
     
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  9. Wheezooo

    Wheezooo

    Correlation is a dirty word.
     
  10. lentus

    lentus

    wow, nice!
     
    #10     Aug 28, 2019
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