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Does anyone else feel sleepy while trading?

  1. The monotonous nature of trading makes me sleepy. Around 10am Pacific time I start to feel sleepy.
    I don't want to use stimulants like coffee. I need psychological help! Any suggestions would be appreciated. Does anyone else feel sleepy while trading?
     
  2. Up the size of your position.:sneaky:
     
  3. Sleep more at night. Dont eat too heavy food during the day. Get plenty of fresh air. Make your trading more fun and interesting, if this is not possible do some additional fun and interesting stuff while waiting for your setups/trades. Listen to dubstep, dance in your room, hopp up and down. Make sure your room is not too warm. Put your feet in cold water.
     
  4. Could be physical/biological. Some people get tired and drift off to sleep after having a meal or at certain times of the day. You could have a mild or undiagnosed case of diabetes or chronic fatigue syndrome. Regular tiredness can be difficult to resolve unless you trade at the start of the day when you wake up. Even then I'd limit my carb intake to reduce any potential drowsiness. Exercise can help if added to your routine appropriately and without over doing it
     
  5. Anybody that is a stock trader that would like to voice chat with me during trading hours? Being able to give running commentary about the market and my trades might help me stay awake :)
     
  6. Well first of all...Are you getting enough sleep -- if you're not, there you go.
    You mentioned in another post that you have problems or issues with your sleep schedule.

    Switch to a high protein diet. protein is brain food. consider drinking whey protein milk shakes. -- carbohydrates and junk food and baked goods all will make you feel bogged down.
    those starbucks frappa crappa whatevers kind of have high sugar content too.
    give up soda, if you currently drink that.

    I have a pair of 30lb dumbbells next to my desk/computer...I often do a variety of excercises with those. and i have a massage table too, which i use as my bed...great firm surface for situps and ab exercises.

    And last but not least...Trading IS boring. so Naturally you will feel sleepy. you just sit like a sloth watching/waiting/timing that chart movement, o_O looking and feeling like a zombie,

    You can't have it both ways in life. Adapt to the lesser of the two semi-pleasant things.

    When I first started out trading...I would sometimes lay in bed...just staring at the screen while listening to music or watching a movie...And I would fall asleep, and suffer a sour loss by the time I woke up,

    You kind of remind me of a movie quote...from the movie Boiler Room 2000....'don't pitch the bitch...they always complain...you'll never hear the end of it.'

    Good trading,
    May the Farce be with you, ET extraterrestrials
     
  7. Eat coconut oil (1-2 tbl. spoons) in the morning with oatmeal or by itself. This produces brain energy KETONES...a backup fuel source using fatty acids.:)
     
  8. Honestly speaking, this is serious problem.

    during trading ,we need to be calm and alert, confident, patience, without negative emotion.

    limit your trading to say 2 or 3 hrs maximum.
    do meditation, exercise more ....
     
  9. 1) Get a night of good sleep...undisturbed.

    2) Exercise in the morning...before you trade.

    3) Eat nutritious breakfast meal...light meal.

    You'll be surprise at how much your routine the night before impacts your trading in the morning. Don't underestimate it.

    P.S. You taking any prescribe medications or under Doctor's care...overweight or any health problems that you're concerned about ?
     
  10. No I don't have health problems and I am not overweight. That's me in my picture. I am skinny.
    I don't have the time to exercise or eat breakfast in the morning. The market opens @ 6:30 am. There is barely enough time for anything in the morning. But I will try to have breakfast and see how I feel.
     
  11. I never slept particulary well, but trading most actively on US markets while living in the Far East, while beeing involved in markets in a few other timezones with school age kids and regulary day time obligations is wreaking havoc.
    Feel a wreck regulary during market hours, happily I'm not day trading and try to plan when in good shape (usually some hours I'll feel much more alert ) than stick to the plan as much as possible, sometimes while waking up every hour or so during market hours to check what's going on, and try to improvise less when feeling in a mess.
    I know some guys here daytrade from Asia btw and seem to enjoy it, I've actually lived at night for long periods, but it gets tougher with family obligations, and possibly with age ( or I'm simply a retard at adjusting my rithm to a regular 5am to 12/1pm sleeping time wich would work for most purposes here)
    Drinking plenty of coffee btw.
    Op from the information you shared in another thread , if I got the poster right, your issue is not only the monotony of the market but also having to wake up very early while going to sleep late.

    Oh... and the US soon gets into winter hours, it gets worse then.
     
  12. Also, as stated before, what about your night time routine the night before the trading day.

    You getting enough sleep or sleeping well...consistently ?

    As for exercise...gotta make the time. Seriously, not doing exercise may kill you one day or cause illnesses and it doesn't need to be before 0630am est.

    Heck, just a brisk 15min walk around the neighborhood (something to get you breathing a little heavier) with some exercise in your spare room or office before the trading day will do wonders.

    My point, never underestimate the stress of trading on the body. Best to be safe now via doing those things you don't have time to do than sorry later.

    When I lived on the west coast...I would get up about 0530am to do a 45min bike routine (outside or indoors) just before the markets open @ 0630am. I would go to bed at 9:00pm. Simply, early in bed and early riser. I had to make some minor sacrifices to stay healthy enough to properly trade.

    Poor health does impact your trading results especially when skipping on exercise and not eating a healthy breakfast.

    A sluggish mind does impact your cognitive decision making.

    Good luck.
     
  13. Thank you for all the tips! I go to bed between 12 and 1 am. But I will try going to bed earlier. And I will make sure I have a healthy breakfast like eggs and toast. I usually exercise on the weekends because there is no time on weekdays.
    Thanks for all the suggestions!
     
  14. Ok I trade same time zone as you, I am in Central Cal.
    I will pass what works for me after awhile of trial and error.
    Staying alert used to be tough especially towards end of week because I rarely get to sleep before 11pm, due to other activities of life.
    So this worked for me.
    Usually 6:30am to 8:30am fairly busy trading and following markets.
    From 8:30 am to about 10:15 am most days, I do not trade much so I get away from the screen , starting with a 30 to 40 min. walk, or a quick gym workout. I then grab a diet coke to hydrate ( sorry it helps and has not killed me ) and do a little research, then back to the markets.
    This routine has worked well for 14 years and kept me alert through the trading days.
    Get away from screens, and do research in afternoon latter or evenings depending what else going on.
    I do not know what markets or time setups you trade, but this has worked for me well on the West time zone. Free to PM me with any ?
     
  15. These are the pre requisities besides eating well and sleeping well and exercising your body.

    passion for trading. Don't trade if no passiion.
    mind control and exercise.
    discipline to do what you supposed to do.

    some of the tools you can use to exercise and control mind which we have to do daily :

    - meditation eg Qi meditation
    - yoga
    - psycho cybernectics
    - chakra
    - tapping meridian points


    All successful traders exercise their mind every day without fail as so to achieve
    CALM and ALERT stage at all times.

    If you like something, u will do it for very very long, u will be able to concentrate and u wouldn't feel tired.
    So if you feel sleepy, perhaps you have to check if your passion for trading is there or not.
     
  16. If you don't sleep enough, especially for a longer period, you will feel tired, passion or not. Besides motivation is important but one doesn't need passion to be succesful at their job, especially once the process becomes more of a routine.
     
  17. Many people are not accustomed to sitting alot in front of the PC. You can have problems such as "mousearm", drowsiness and headaches. This may stem from bad sitting posture - even sitting too still!

    Mindfulness may help. At any moment, you can "recapture" yourself ("losing" yourself in work/play is only natural). Are you relaxed? Is posture stiff? Do you tense muscles or face? Try relaxing and tensing different muscles. Do spontaneous "eye-yoga". Try stretching shoulders backwards (we tend to tense shoulders forwards in front of a monitor), move spine gently, etc. Hold in deep breaths. Spontaneous yoga is superior to "training yoga", as the former is more creative and lively, while the latter may become tedious, technical and routine. People may look at you funny though. Part of the fun! :p

    Technical people often find some activity that breaks bad body habits, in order to sit for prolonged time in front of PC. Walking and talking may be good. You could set sound alerts on certain levels or email / sms.

    A good gaming chair with support for keeping spine erect may also be helpful. A bad chair will lack adjustability and may just be tolerable, which is not good enough for the longer haul.
     
  18. %%
    YES, but not much ,why??
    Because i enjoy 2 or 3 cups coffee, black.

    Assume enough sleep.
    Exercise ; for me its walk 30-60-120 minutes per day.Plus you have to take the time to do this. walk a bit every hour .Saturday i may walk- work 7 hours a day/+:cool::caution:. Vitamins help a lot ; refined sugar tends to knock me out, like a thanksgiving feast nap:D Couch potatoe 5 days a week= sleepy time
     
  19. play some music
     
  20. Usually when I trade I am wide awake - unless I am trading late at night, which I avoid doing. So, no, I don't really have a problem with sleepiness while trading.
     
  21. one has to switch to a smaller periods for monotony (and sleepiness) to disappear
     
  22. You don't have enough sleep. Based on your statement, you slept 4-6 hrs a day. Most folks like you need 7-8. So you have chronic sleep deprivation. No wonder you felt sleepy.

    If your trading methodology is staring at the screen waiting for entry or exit signals from charts, TA... then you might as well automate your trade. You have the skills, so do what Handle123 did and automate. Some of us trade differently and we need lots of analysis, research, number crunching... to enter/exit a trade, no time to be bored.

    Best wishes to you.
     
  23. Sometimes I do feel sleepy when I trade, but I think it's mostly because I have insomnia occasionally, rather than because of the actual trading.
     
  24. %%
    Great points;
    but i never made the points on smaller time frames, too much commissions, slippage+ whipsaws. But market maker$, specialists can do well ,so that is not a prediction on time frames.Wisdom is profitable to direct.:cool::cool:
     
  25. you might have mild sleep apnea and not even know it. is it only during trading?
     
  26. AUTOMATE
     
  27. I think I have a delayed sleep phase disorder. However, now with the time change I will still try to go to bed at the old time I.e. An hour early. That should probably make a difference.
    Also maybe I should try to keep a journal on here to give me some accountability :)
     
  28. Do you snore? and if so is it loud like maybe gagging? what is your BMI index? over 25? do you only get sleepy while trading or is it something that happens around 1-2pm whether ur trading or not?
     
  29. No I don't snore. My BMI is 19. And yes I feel sleepy everyday around 9 and 10am PST. Strangely I have no problem waking up in the morning. It is just that after a few hours I feel sleepy again.
     
  30. For me its the opposite. I cannot sleep that well when trades are on. I wake up to check on my positions during the Euro sessions.
     
  31. is your neck thicker than 17 inches? lol ...no I'm serious. I would get a sleep apnea study done. did someone confirm you don't snore? good luck bud.
     
  32. I think you falsely assumed I am a man :)
     
  33. lol. Why? because women cant have 17 inch necks? or because I cant say "good luck bud" to a woman? :D
     


  34. Apparently you fail to understand why God created coffee.

    If you say you don't drink coffee, then you are heading out in to the jungle everyday without the tools that are needed for survival. No sympathy. Try getting a set of jumper cables and put one on each ankle if you don't drink coffee.
     
  35. Go for a short walk, or do you have to stay on the computer non stop?
     
  36. Often what was once a fun enterprise has turned into work activity and get bored and sleepy. Get a treadmill and like a hamster and their wheel, have PC on a table just in front of you and start walking and running to get blood circulating. Best is to automate, set it and do other activities.
     
  37. Once I was expecting a good deal entrance and fell asleep, woke up in the morning, after that if I want to sleep even a little bit - I don't trade.
     
  38. It could have been worse - you could've opened a position, fallen asleep and then the market could've developed against your position. It's happened to me more than once. Which is why I agree, don't trade when you're sleepy.
     
  39. Perhaps instead of resisting against it, one could flow with it.

    Research polyphasic sleep cycles.

    Animals do this naturally.

    With people, it facilitates accelerated learning, heightened creativity and ‘genius states.’
     
  40. I rigged up both stationary bike and treadmill with a shelve in front of them and would switch back and forth as I have always found manual trading to be so flicking boring wait for same signals. At one point was biking 30 miles a day and walking eight miles a day uphill. Now it is beautiful, it is called automation and can be anywhere in the world and plug into Tradovate to see what's going on. I still use the equipment everyday but watch more of what ET'ers been watching for years----porn. ROFLMAO
     
  41. Regarding the coffee idea, I am sure it works for some people but I, personally, don't drink it. It gives me heart palpitations and the caffeine crash after that is horrible.
     
  42. OP hasn't responded since 11-7, so you all are beating a dead horse.
     
  43. She seemed like an emotional flake -- she probably busted her initial trading account already.
    Or lost a significant amount, and decided to call it quits or take a breather.

    She bragged about trading a large % of her account during "high probability trades"...which is laughable. The market probably dealt her a Joker card.

    To succeed in trading...you need the emotional maturity and stability and neutrality of a surgeon or Buddhist monk. and the adrenaline and intensity and the dynamic, quick-thinking abilities of a fighter pilot. -- and a calm painter too, thinking about the whole collective painting/chart.
    a weird combination.

    Because your character will be tested on all of those variables with every trade. and if one of them is lacking or defective or inferior in you...it's over. it's goodbye trading acct.
     
  44. Ha look at the class act we have here! Way to go spewing garbage about trading and someone you do not know!
    I had requested Baron to deactivate my account. Did it ever occur to you that maybe I decided to deactivate my account because I found it not worth my time fraternizing with trolls like you on ET.
    Instead I decided to focus my time and energy on making money and improving my trading skills. And I have done well, exceeded my expectations!
    And stop spreading fake news like CNN. No where did I talk about trading a large % of account. Instead I mentioned several times that my position size was 1k. And I have since stopped paper trading (taken off my training wheels) and I have increased my position size to 3k which is still a small fraction of my account > 60k. And if the market plays a joker card there is something called a stop loss you fool!
    I know you would love to see me fail because it would make you feel better about your own failures but I am sorry to say I am way past that point of ever blowing up my account. Which destroys the myth I see on this site that every trader has significant losses while learning to trade. That is absolutely false! If you are smart about this game and take it slow and use caution, you do not need to blow up your account or have significant losses on the road to success.
    And stop spewing false info about trading. If trading for you is as you described above let me tell you that is because you have a poor strategy. If you have a poor strategy no amount of emotional maturity, psychology and character mumbo jumbo is going to make up for it! Trading to me is as effortless and seamless as driving down the interstate (yes I have never had an accident thanks to defensive driving) Work of improving your strategy and practice, practice, practice then trading will become second nature to you too.
    And for your kind information, the successful ones do not last long on ET. They are busy focusing on very important aspects of their lives while making money, acquiring passive investments/real estate and enjoying success.
    Instead the ones that are active on ET are either trolls or those that failed and are hoping to stumble upon some morsel of wisdom that will turn around their trading. Or they want to massage each other's egos so that they don't feel so bad about their failure. So if someone doesn't post on here actively don't just assume they blew up their account. On the contrary they might have encountered success beyond their wildest imagination and are busy pursuing very important things in their lives!
    To the rest of ET, HAPPY NEW YEAR!
     

  45. Um ... well ... I do seem to recall that the very first conversation I had with you was exactly about that, and in fact that was what made me post in your thread, actually. ;)

    But in any case welcome back, and a Happy New Year.
     
  46. I still stand by that statement but I never said anything about going big right away but gradually increasing position size with time and success. I started with a 1k position size and now I am at 3k. With time and success I will increase it to 5k, 10k, 20k, 30k etc. Consistent practice and success gives the confidence to increase position size.
    Thank you and Happy New Year to you as well!
     
  47. Glad you're back Rinet
     
  48. I recall reading somewhere long ago that a person needed 7 hours of sleep, so that's what I did for years. I always wondered why I was so tired when waking up and had trouble getting out of bed. Switched to 8 hours and as if magically the tiredness went away.
     
  49. Recently I saw on TV that the brain needs 4 hours to recover, and that we sleep in 90 minute cycles. So, after the 4 hours, if you wake up within a 90 minute cycle you'll likely feel the need for more sleep. But if you wake up near the end on one of the cycles, you'll feel rested. I've experimented with this a little and it seems to be true.
     
  50. It's very true and I have exactly the same experience. But to last through the day, anything less than 5 cycles won't do. You can do 2 cycle, get up and feel okay but after 6 hours you'll be tired.