Buy and Hold SP500 Not A Good Idea Afterall....

Discussion in 'Trading' started by libertad, Feb 21, 2009.


  1. Go EASY on me, Ivan.

    It was an unfortunate SCHHHMELLTING accident!

    :)
     
    #81     Apr 15, 2009
  2. An interesting post, sjfan. Could you please explain "All money is fiat." ?

    Thanks! :)
     
    #82     Apr 25, 2009
  3. dirkd

    dirkd

    buy and hold is similiar to being the last one in the shower picking up the soap. Sure it feels good in the beginning nice bar of soap, your gonna get real clean. then you find out that "man my ass hurts." :eek:
     
    #83     Apr 25, 2009
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    Arguably, the single most important chart for any long term investor to study is that showing the average return of the S&P, leaving out dividends, for any 20 year period in CONSTANT DOLLARS. (Charts such as this have been posted here on ET, but i am unable to locate one at present) This chart shows that the average return, once dividends are eliminated is virtually the same as the return from government bonds before accounting for inflation. In other words, very little real return from earnings growth occurs. Thus the returns that stock brokers and mutual funds tout is in fact mostly the effect of inflation on the market, and very little gain in constant dollars is achieved on average for the entire market. The lesson to be learned is that if one is to take a long term buy, hold, watch and adjust approach to investment, then one had better consider buying only those issues that pay healthy dividends and are likely to continue to do so and to grow their dividends over time. Even then the risk of poor timing remains.

     
    #84     Apr 25, 2009
  5. Gyles

    Gyles

    Had come across an interesting article as follows:
    Advisers Ditch 'Buy and Hold' For New Tactics

    In the above, Matthew Tuttle had hired Mr. Murray for some trading systems. Can you please elaborate on that, Mr. Murray? Thanks! :)
     
    #85     May 7, 2009
  6. Murray Ruggiero

    Murray Ruggiero Sponsor

    Mr Tuttle hired me to develop trading systems for his commodity pool last summer. We then decided to apply this technology to ETF's and have developed several different programs for that. We have developed all of these programs in TradersStudio. Some of what we are doing required new features in TradersStudio which we have added and will make available in the professional version.

    We have three different programs, One is long/short , the other is long only. The third is a longer term , rotational type model which we are currently finishing.
     
    #86     May 26, 2009
  7. Gyles

    Gyles

    Sincere thanks for the reply, Murray. :)

    I agree that since he is your client and you may not be able to show us the systems you are trading for him. However, is it possible to show some graphs or screen shots of the results?
    Thanks! :)
     
    #87     May 29, 2009