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Australia moves ahead. Makes loud proclamation for Christian-centered society.

  1. The most successful societies in history have been predominantly Christian and democratic.



    Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law, were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

    Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:


    'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.

    I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

    'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'


    'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'








    'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

    'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

    'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

    'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
     
  2. Bravo! Prime Minister Julia Gillard of Australia. Finally a leader of a non Communist country understands the need to have their immigrants blend into their society and not make their society blend to the immigrants!
     
  3. ummm are you sure?

    Did you ever study history? What is your definition of democracy? Is USA a democracy?

    You would be surprised what you can read in other countries' books about American, Roman or British history. It might even be shocking.

    If I were you, I would take out that sentence before you make a fool of yourself.:mad:
     
  4. The most successful governments in history have been republics(America, post revolutionary France, Rome), not democracies(Greece). Prior to that the most successful forms of government had been feudalistic, quasi corporatist ones, based on Germanic tribal society(Normans, Franks, Anglo-Saxons, Renaissance Europe ). One of the greatest threats facing the west today (mostly because it goes largely ignored) is our evaporating birth rate.

    As Spengler said in "The Decline of the West":When the ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard "having children" as a question of pro's and con's, the great turning-point has come. Our society currently punishes people, particularly the most reproductively viable men, for having children. This is one of the MOST maladaptive features of our society, and perhaps the most overlooked.

     
  5. Australia sounds like my kind of place! Crikey! I may have to move there and put a shimp on tha barbie. :) Good for Australia, flushing the crap down the dunnies! :D :D :D
     
  6. Peil, to which denomination of Christianity do you adhere, just curious?

     
  7. Betcha she didn't say all this nonsense. Any Australian PM spewing forth this stuff would have a very short career. Even an ordinary MP would be excoriated.

    I call complete BS.
     
  8. "The most successful societies in history have been predominantly Christian and democratic."


    LOL! And where do the idiot red states, with their high concentration of the America's Taliban, rank in terms of GDP per capita with the blue states?

    This site is such a comedy goldmine.
     
  9. Julia Gillard is an atheist. The purveyors of this disinformation and trash are clearly not the sharpest tools in the box.
     
  10. The intended audience for this drivel are not very bright either. It takes little imagination to spur them into a handclapping frenzy.
     
  11. The southern states have a much higher standard of living than the northern states actually. GDP per capita is kind of meaningless which not considering cost of living. You can drop 3-400k easy in NYC or cali and live in a shack, while the same amount in Atlanta or Austin would have you living like a king... The salary differences pretty much even out after taxes are taken into account. Most blue states are a ripoff.

     
  12. It's about culture, not religion. I believe Gillard is open about her atheism.

    I wouldn't move to Saudi Arabia and begrudge their Islamic culture and customs. They shouldn't move to a western nation and begrudge it's culture and customs. As she clearly specified, her statement was not religious in nature.

     
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    65k years ago, we crossed the seas, with the hope to live in love, peace and harmony with the creatures and the creation in the real of the dream.

    Yet 200 years ago "they" came, to destroy it. "They" wanted to create the "exploitation" on the Land of the Dream. We could have teach them if they wanted... however they didn't listen. Thinking "they" were "smarter"...Smarter than us maybe, than the Dream, Never !

    Fine, "they" will exprience the Nightmare.

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    At the first hour of the morning all was clear as the sky above my head.

    When I came to Arabia, I saw Arabs
    When I came to Africa, I saw Africans
    When I came to China, I saw Chineses
    When I came to Australia, I did not saw Australians...
     
  14. It's about culture and religion.
     
  15. No, it isn't, otherwise we wouldn't be hearing this from an atheist. Deal with it.

     
  16. You are entirely missing the point. Gillard did not say this stuff. Asserting that she did is lying. Neither did her predecessor, Kevin Rudd, to whom these statements have also been attributed. You may think that lying is just fine in pursuit of of some bizarre ideology but I do not. Repeating lies over and over never makes them true but that is the standard operating procedure of the lunatic US right.
     
  17. Whether or not she said it doesn't change the validity of the statement, whoever said it. I never lied about this whatsoever, and the point of whether or not the statement is factual is not the basis of the debate.

    You accusation that I am "lying in pursuit of some bizarre ideology" is absurd, as if *I* am the one who circulated this article. LMAO! Further, I don't think discouraging the immigration of people who are hostile to your culture is a "bizarre ideology". I didn't repeat any of this, I'm debating the merit of it's content. If anyone is operating in the realm of lunacy here, it's you. You are just making things up as you go along. The merit of the statement stands regardless of who said it.

     
  18. Good for you! You'd never make it as a Democrat/Libturd. They wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the ass.

    Of what significance is the "lunatic ANYTHING/ANYBODY"?
     
  19. Yes , it is, or you wouldn't have produced such a pathetic reply.

    Specific references to things about a culture and God or Christian or Christians or Moslims or Islam , are about the culture and about religion.
    Get over it.
     
  20. You can whine, scream, and stomp your feet all you like, but the fact remains we generally see this sentiment out of secular nations, largely secular populations. If this weren't the case, you wouldn't feel the need to use ad hominem in your response. But of course, you already knew that.

     
  21. If I did use ad hominem then you'll have to point out where. So far it's not there, but if I did by your definitions then by the same token you, you must used ad hominem too.

    Why are you so touchy about this? If “we “ do see this sentiment as you say , which is supposedly made by an atheist as you say, but more probably by misinforming theists, then just what is your problem with the obvious , which is, if they mention things to do with religion within a culture , then they are talking about the culture and religion.
    What’s your problem exactly
     
  22. I don't have a "problem" per se. I am making the assertion that the sentiment is extra-religious, it exists outside of religion. Religion is component of culture. The statements aren't a product of religious doctrine but of cultural sentiment. This sentiment is found widely in people who are non religious. Hence the the sentiment, generally speaking, is not a religious, but a cultural imperative. It exists largely, if not primarily, in the absence of religion.

    In other words, if you removed all religion, Australians would not want hordes of 3rd worlders and muslims hostile to western culture coming to Australia in droves.

     
  23. I'm losing the direction of this argument, probably because I'm only hearing half of it.

    Religion is a part of culture, because culture is the sum total of a human population's knowledge and artifacts. This is not controversial... is it?
     

  24. Actually these are the same words an ex Prime Minister Keating said about 4 or 5 years ago...

    I am very happy if she did re iterate the point....

    Initially, the Italians and Greeks after WW11 assimilated and are a great asset to the country...the biggest bitch was the $20 each way whining pommies...

    As for jumping on the Muslims...I am all for it and anybody else that will not attempt to assimilate...

    There 5 international exits out of Australia....and nobody will stop them from leaving..

    NiN
     
  25. Unlikely but perhaps if I'm the half you don't have on ignore then...
    well yes, that's what I was suggesting but phenomena , for some reason or other , got very pissy about me saying it wasn't just about the culture. Although I must say his latest response does now sound more reasonable to me.

    I understand and take the point being put forward that the statement was not, generally speaking, a religious one. But I would say, it is not the case at all that it is only general , and about their culture.

    Culture is about ALL the things that bring a population together. If you then isolate some parts or a particular topic within it, then you are having a discussion about culture AND the components of it like a culture AND its religion or a culture AND its criminality which is indeed part of a culture as religion is, or culture AND Australian Rules Football.

    The statement talks of "Our Christian beliefs", "Christian principles" and God, and "Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law".
    It is most certainly about culture AND to specific degrees, religion.
    I'm suggesting phenomena is incorrect to say it is only about culture.

    I do agree religion is a part of culture. But so is superstition, make believe , and story telling. Just some of the things that bring a population together. But if you talk about a culture and then highlight a specific element in it which is to be especially defended, it 's not just about the culture.
     
  26. It's my assertion that religion is a part of culture, rather than culture being a part of religion. Culture is a bit more than arbitrary things like sports, holidays, superstitions and food.

    Culture is a shared set of views, attitudes, values, and commonly accepted social norms, usually linked to a group of people with some degree of common/shared history if not ancestry. Indeed cultural standards such as religious freedom, freedom of assembly, speech, press, etc are also culture. Western nations empirically have had a culture of freedom post renaissance europe.

    My point, which has yet to be refuted is that this sentiment is most commonly found in less religious nations, and has little, if anything, to do with religion. It has a lot more to do with hordes of parasitic 3rd worlders coming to your country, often times with hostile sentiments towards your culture, and believing that they are owed some sort of special recognition or accommodation, instead of graciously considering themselves lucky to be allow in in the first place.

    "Our Christian beliefs" was simply used because that's what the belligerents were complaining about (in this case), although NOW apparently this is a fictitious repackaging of the former PM's statements some years ago. So really, it's the broader point we're debating.
     
  27. It's not you, we have too much "fun" discussing religion. ; )

    The opening part of the OP is all about culture, but the closing focuses on religion. I don't have much to say about it, we know it's fake, but even if it weren't... Australia was founded by prisoners, mostly commies if I recall correctly, not Christians... ?