Another computer driven hedge fund closes

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by dealmaker, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. d08

    d08

    "The Density fund, which traded 138 markets in stocks, fixed income, currencies and commodities, had been run as a strategy in Swedish-based Brummer & Partners' Nektar unit, which manages the $4.7 billion Nektar fund, a portfolio that has made money every calendar year since 1998 apart from in 2008. "

    Why would you say they lack experience?
     
    #21     Oct 10, 2013
  2. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    Customers :)
     
    #22     Oct 10, 2013
  3. toolazy

    toolazy

    that is really good news. markets run out of victims. markets must behave nice & rise to arouse spirits of soon to be investors.

    this year we saw 2 major trends in JPY and AUD. I think this type of environment will continue until further notice.
     
    #23     Oct 10, 2013
  4. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    All market conditions stay the same until they change. CTA funds make money from the increase in vol and breakdown in correlations when conditions like the current ones change.
     
    #24     Oct 10, 2013
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    there are too many cta funds in a crowded field. attrition is normal under nearly all circumstances.
     
    #25     Oct 10, 2013
  6. H2O

    H2O

    I'm by no means familiar with the fund, but the fact that the overall portfolio has been around since 1998 doesn't mean this particular strategy (the Density fund) has the same experience.

    From the website: Fund start 06-06-2012... (http://www.densityfund.se/Fond_Fakta.html)

    Ok, the strategy existed since 2001 but it is not clear to me if it was actually traded and in what shape / form.

    I'm in no way saying anything negative about the fund, but it makes sense to look a bit deeper into the details before drawing conclusions / asking 'rhetoric' questions...
     
    #26     Oct 10, 2013
  7. I can only conclude that profitable trading is not a "given"... even for well capitalized funds, with plenty of super-educated staff.

    emg : any comment?
     
    #27     Oct 10, 2013
  8. slumdog

    slumdog

    With trend following you going to get multi year drawdowns sometimes.
    That said its not possible to say if this drawdown was an expected outlier or due to incompetence.
    It probably doesn't matter as either way the investors couldn't stomach it.
     
    #28     Oct 10, 2013
  9. blakpacman

    blakpacman

    Efficient Market Theory at work. A lot can be said for low cost indexing over actively managed funds.
     
    #29     Oct 10, 2013
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    There was an article on bloomberg the other day about how many CTAs have net if fee performances that are close to zero.
     
    #30     Oct 10, 2013