All Bonds created " Equal " ??

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by md2324, May 12, 2017.

  1. md2324

    md2324

    Assuming the following :

    Lets say that the...... ZB, ZN, ZF and ZT all moved from 151.00 to 151.33

    Would the REAL Profit made from this move, be the following for the 4 Financial Markets:

    The Profit on ZB , ZN and ZF would = $310 ( $1,000 Point Values x .33 cent move ) ?

    And the Profit on ZT would be = $620 ( $2,000 Point Value x .33 cents ) ?

    Thanks much for the help
     
  2. gkishot

    gkishot

    All of them would have the same profit of 33 * $31.25 = $1031.25
     
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  3. eurusdzn

    eurusdzn

    151-105 which is between 151-10 and 151-11 is equivilant to 151.33

    Where .33 x 32 is about 10.5 or 105 is a third of the way to $1000 or $333
    32 ticks at $31.25/per is $1000 ( some move in half and quarter ticks confusing the quotes).

    So yup , you are right and yeah $2000 a point for ZT but dont hold your breath.
     
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  4. md2324

    md2324

    eurusdzn,
    Thank you for your reply

    I just please, want to double check that I am calculating the P&L for the 4 different Bond markets correctly ................. 1. The Profit on ZB , ZN and ZF would = $310 ( $1,000 Point Values x .33 cent move ) ?

    2. And the Profit on ZT would be = $620 ( $2,000 Point Value x .33 cents ) ?


    Thank you again for your help

     
  5. eurusdzn

    eurusdzn

    ZNM17 current price is 125-075 so this is 15 ticks above 125-000. This equates to 15/64 (64 ticks/point) = .23
    So 125.23 in decimal format. .23*1000 = $230 profit on the notional 100k if you entered at 125.00.

    So, yes you are correct , roughly . Your decimal quote moves in units of .01 where ZT moves in
    128 ticks between say 125-000 and 126-000. It increments as 125-000 , 125-002, 125-005,
    125-007, 125-010, 125-012 ,125-015 ........

    1/128 = .0078 increments. For ZT
    1/64 for ZN
    I haven't traded ZB as the daily $$$ change exceeds my position size comfort level.
    I never traded ZF,the 5 year.

    Where are you receiving note/ bond quotes in decimal format ? Why not the exhange/broker quoting method.
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2017
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  6. bone

    bone

    The point values for ZB, ZN, and ZF are the same. The tic values (minimal price movement differential) are different for each - please look on the CME website for the contract specs. The point value for ZT is different because the notional value of the instrument is $200K and not $100K.

    Again, the contract specs on the exchange website will tell you everything you require.
     
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