ADP report WILL NOT include temporary census workers!!!!

Discussion in 'Economics' started by S2007S, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. S2007S


    ADP report due out tomorrow is looking for 40,000 new jobs, this DOES NOT include the temporary census workers that WILL be counted on Fridays job report. This taken in perspective along with the markets being closed on Friday I believe tomorrows number is going to be pretty big for the markets, I sort of think that 40,000 is low-balling it, anything greater than that and the markets will certainly cheer that job growth is coming back to the economy.

    Fridays number is going to be interesting, the first thing you do is take the job numbers on Friday and completely erase all census hiring.

    Wednesday Look Ahead: ADP More Important than Usual | March 30, 2010 | 06:06 PM EDT

    Markets may give more weight than usual to the ADP private sector employment report Wednesday.

    The ADP number, expected to show an increase of 40,000 jobs, is viewed as an early read on the government's monthly employment report, but it does not always correlate. This month, however, the government number will include thousands of temporary census workers that would not be included in the ADP report. For that reason, traders are watching the 8:15am ET number more carefully to see what it shows for private sector job growth.

    The ADP report is expected to show an increase of 40,000 jobs in March. The consensus for Friday's government employment report is 200,000 non-farm payrolls.

    Economists say as many as 100,000 or more of those jobs could be the result of the government's hiring of census workers, and thousands more could be delayed hirings due to heavy winter storms in February. Starting in June, those temporary census hires are expected to turn into a negative factor in monthly jobs data, as the workers are let go.

    Stocks finished slightly higher Tuesday after quietly meandering most of the day. For the quarter, the Dow is up 4.6 percent at 10,907, and is on track to show its best first quarter gain since 1999. The S&P 500 is up 5.2 percent at 1173, also its best first quarter since 1999. Industrials were the best performers quarter to date, up 13 percent. Consumer discretionary and financials were next best, up 10.9 and 10.6 percent, respectively. Telecom were the worst, down 4.9 percent.

    Honeywell [ HON 44.95 +0.08 (+0.18%) ] will also be a focus Wednesday, after the company raised its first quarter earnings guidance and said it sees stronger orders and sales in some of its businesses. Honeywell shares jumped after the bell.

    In addition to the ADP report, there is Chicago purchasing managers data at 9:45am and factory orders at 10am.

    Whither Stocks

    LPL strategist Jeffrey Kleintop said he expects the second quarter to bring an encore performance of the market's first quarter, which was marked by early weakness and then a rally.

    "So many things are shaping up to give us a repeat performance. Even today's data. The consumer confidence and housing data showed us a market that was willing to sell on the news. I guess that may be true of the jobs report Friday and some of the earnings news," said Kleintop in mid-afternoon, referring to the market's early softness Tuesday.

    Consumer confidence rebounded to 52.5 from January's 46.4, and the S&P/Case-Shiller home price index was down 0.7 percent year over year, slightly better than expected.

    Kleintop said the market's expectations for the Friday jobs report may be too great:

    "The market seems to be sure we'll get (the estimate) but what if we do and it doesn't surprise to the upside. Maybe there's some risk there," he said.

    The stock market is closed for the Good Friday holiday, when the jobs report is scheduled for release.

    Kleintop said there are several major risks in the second quarter, including the potential that China could take further steps to cool its economy. Chinese data is expected to be released between April 9 and 11, and the Chinese government could choose that time to announce further restrictions on lending. There is also the April 15 date by which the U.S. Treasury will determine whether to label China a currency manipulator, an idea championed by some members of Congress.

    Another potential negative for the market would be the Fed's move toward higher rates, which could come toward the end of the year. "I think we'll actually hit the highs for the year in the second quarter," he said. "...We'll see 11,000 on the Dow and maybe 1250 on the S&P...We could end the year pretty close to where we are now on the S&P."

    Kleintop said a selloff could be timed to the earnings reporting season, as it was in the first quarter.

    End of Fed Program

    The Fed's mortgage purchase program officially concludes Wednesday, and the market is divided on whether the Fed's exit will push mortgage rates higher or not.

    John Sprow, chief risk officer at Smith Breeden, said he thinks mortgage rates will ultimately become more volatile. On Tuesday, the spread on mortgages (Fannie OTR) was about 61 bps from Treasurys, close to the multi decade low of 58 bps reached earlier in the month.

    "You'll see more volatility in the mortgage spaces...The Fed has been providing a backstop and now it's going away. The back stop prior to the Fed were the GSEs (government-sponsored entities), and I don't think that's happening any time soon. I think we're going back to volatility in the mortgage market," said Sprow.

    "There's still banks and money managers and insurance companies who have always been there, but probably for the last 15 years, we had Fannie and Freddie being the backstops. Now it's been the government. But it doesn't mean we're going to hell in a handbasket. The sovereign funds have stepped out of the U.S. market as well," he said. (See: Art Cashin's take on sovereign funds.)

    Sprow said he expects to see spreads between mortgages and Treasurys widen.

    As for Fannie Mae [ FNM 1.05 -0.01 (-0.94%) ] and Freddie Mac [ FRE 1.28 +0.00 (+0.00%) ], "I think they'll continue to exist as quasi-government entities with supposedly more oversight than they had before..I don't think we'll see them running the same kind of leverage or running the same kind of huge portfolios they ran before. It's a lot like what I think for the banks. It'll go back to the way things used to be," he said.

    Euro Trashed

    Treasurys seesawed Tuesday, with the 10-year ending the day lower. Its yield rose to 3.870 percent. The euro was at $1.3413, late in the day, reversing an earlier move higher to $1.3535.

    "Today's story is euro weakness — Greek bonds," said Marc Chandler, chief currency strategist at Brown Brothers Harriman. Spreads on Greek bonds widened Tuesday, as the market determined that Monday's Greek debt issue wasn't as successful as originally thought.

    "Part of the problem is indigestion form yesterday's supply, but we also know there's more supply coming. That's the heart of it," said Chandler, noting some investors went long euro, looking for the bounce to last longer. "A lot of late long euros were in weak hands and they bailed out at the first sign of weakness," he said.

    Sprow said the Greek situation could mean trouble for markets if it gets worse: "I don't see how the euro system, the way it's designed, can withstand a real problem. There's no system to kick someone out," he said.

    "If it all unravels, it will certainly increase risk premiums, but it should increase flows to dollar assets," he said.

    Chandler said a factor for Wednesday's foreign exchange market is the year end in Japan. "The idea is their fiscal year is almost over and they've already done their repatriation. The market suspects the yen is going to weaken after the new year," he said.
  2. Good number = huge market rally

    Bad number = market rally

    Same script as the last 54 weeks. Why try to out-think it?
  3. Dont fight the tape.
  4. S2007S


    I actually agree, I think as long as they get 1 job added to the march payrolls things will be looking up for equities.

    Good number = jobs are coming back, recession over, consumer spending going skyrocket = gdp growth

    Bad number = Bubble ben bernanke keeps rates at 0%, liquidity continues to prop up markets, free unemployment for millions for the next 100 weeks, free handouts continue like $8000 tax credits and dont forget the continuation of asset bubbles.

    Its a true win win situation.
  5. S2007S


    I heard that same quote in 2007!!!

    Market "drifted" 50%+ lower!!!!!