Discussion in 'Stocks' started by dumpandbasher, Oct 1, 2008.
What was with the afternoon 50% surge today? Don't see any news.
people prolly thinking... hey im gonna buy a financial firm before the market closes because were gonna get a bailout tonight
It's all about the change to mark to market rule. Good news for bond insurers according to Eric Dinallo.
If you watch ABX indices you'll see AAA's are bouncing. Most of what ABK holds are AAA securities.
The government bailout pkg will obviously also make a huge difference to ABK's marks.
SEC gives banks more leeway on mark-to-market
By John Poirier and Emily Chasan
Tue Sep 30, 8:30 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. securities regulators on Tuesday gave the financial industry a reprieve from marking hard-to-value assets down to fire sale prices, throwing a lifeline to an industry beset by strained credit markets and the latest round of bank failures.
The U.S. stock market added to gains on the news, in hopes that regulators' new interpretation of fair value, or mark-to-market, accounting rules, will slow or reverse the heavy flow of mortgage-related losses on banks' balance sheets.
In the new guidance, first reported by Reuters, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission reminded financial services firms that they don't need to use fire sale prices when evaluating their hard to price assets.
"This is a significant first step and adds stability, confidence, and liquidity within the capital markets," said Steve Bartlett, president and chief executive of The Financial Services Roundtable. "By clarifying how to treat assets in an uncertain market, the SEC is continuing to provide transparency to investors and helping institutions to provide credit in periods of market stress."
U.S. accounting rule maker, the Financial Accounting Standards Board said on its Web site on Tuesday that it would change the agenda for its Wednesday meeting to focus on fair value accounting. The board is contemplating issuing additional guidance through a FASB staff position as soon as Wednesday, according to a person familiar with the matter.
The SEC's guidance on Tuesday, came on the last day of the third quarter for most U.S. companies, allowing them to incorporate the changes in their next round of financial statements.
In a document on the matter, the SEC reaffirmed that management's internal assumptions can be used to measure fair value when relevant market evidence does not exist.
U.S. accounting rule makers assume that the factors used to come up with fair values are based on an orderly transaction between willing market participants. The SEC document said that "distressed or forced liquidation sales are not orderly transactions."
"This guidance will help auditors more accurately price assets that are difficult to value under current market conditions," said Edward Yingling, president and chief executive of the American Bankers Association, whose group has been among several pressuring the SEC to clarify the rules for months.
Under U.S. accounting rules, assets can be valued based on a simple price quote in an active market. But the hardest to value assets are often based entirely on management's best estimate derived from mathematical models.
However, as credit markets seized up this year, many banks were forced to rely on models to value complex mortgage securities that used to trade in more active markets. Critics have complained that accountants forced banks to base their values on fire sale prices in illiquid markets instead of the so-called level 3 input, or unobservable factors, such as the mathematical models used to evaluate their securities.
The SEC's guidance says that sometimes the level 3 inputs may be more appropriate than the so-called level 2, or observable factors.
"In essence, the SEC wants to stop the avalanche of declining prices," said Tom Sowanick, chief investment officer at Clearbrook Financial. Sowanick said that the new guidance should allow banks to rely more on their own assumptions when they determine fair value rather than the distressed sale prices occurring in the markets.
But fair value accounting has been popular with many investors who said it greatly increased transparency about the risks banks are facing.
"This letter (SEC document) could be titled, pick a number, any number, as it gives bankers great leeway in choosing what numbers they will give to investors," said Lynn Turner, who served as chief accountant at the SEC from 1998 through 2001.
Others, however, said that the changes have not gone far enough.
In a letter to SEC Chairman Christopher Cox on Tuesday a bipartisan group of more than 60 U.S. lawmakers urged the SEC to suspend the fair value accounting rule immediately.
"Fair value accounting is a utopian dream that ran into the reality of business and litigation," said Chris Whalen, co-founder of Institutional Risk Analytics, which provides ratings and analytical tools to investors.
"Equating an opinion with a market price is crazy," he continued. "It doesn't matter who gives the opinion -- the auditor is still going to say to the client, 'Why don't you write it down?'"
Under U.S. accounting rules, a "Level 1" asset can be marked-to-market based on a simple price quote in an active market. However, the price of a "Level 2" asset is "mark-to-model" and is estimated based on observable market prices and inputs. A "Level 3" asset is so illiquid that its value is based entirely on management's best estimate derived from complex mathematical models.
(Reporting by John Poirier, Emily Chasan, and Rachelle Younglai with additional reporting by Jennifer Ablan; editing by Carol Bishopric)
keep an eye on ABK might be a big mover tomorrow on Gasparino news.
monolines are the highlanders of the financial world. when new york becames a ghost town and US gdp is 50% lower, abk will still be above $1 a share with the CEO saying a rebound is just around the corner
You are all wrong, wrong wrong. It should be zero.
I was stupid enough not to get out of this stock. My advice. Don't do it. Can you say "bagholder!" I didn't invest a lot in it but I keep it there to make sure I don't do anything as stupid as that again. I figure the gov't will take over and completely wipe out the shareholder. Kind of like AIG...just without the listing on an exchange.
Here a posting, see last page of post on the latest for ABK. Have fun reading.....
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