A ''church '' holocost denier

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by murray t turtle, Jan 26, 2009.

  1. CBNnews has an interesting artcele about 2 Israeli officials slamming the Pope for rubber stamping a British bisop holocaost denier.

    Anyone else have noticed over the year the catholic ''church,'' is one of the churches that seems to know the least about the Bible.[God's Word]???????????????????????????????????

    And we see simply much more trash about the Roman catholic church than most other liberal churches.

    Not all Catholics are unbelievers/pagens perhaps;
    but the '' Roman catholic church '' just cant seem to get it right much with Israel '' And some of the news reports of Catholic church in Mexico are as mean as a snake[hebrew illistration of the devil].

    The idea that the pope is infallible is about the most absurd /not Biblical thing i ever heard;
    some Catholics did help Dr. Falwell, so not all are mean as a snake.:cool:
  2. Have you ever heard this one:

    1. Adam is a Muslim.
    2. His wife is Christian.
    3. The snake is murray
  4. jem


    Just about every major catholic teaching is very bible based.

    There are a few concepts in which Catholics only response is tradition... overwhelming weight of Catholic doctrine is based on the bible.

    you may wish to start here and then visits the numerous catholic apologetics sites.


    I believe you will see that on the major issues both sides have arguments.

    It is my belief most of the arguments can be resolved with a deeper study.

    In fact the current Pope was once one of the Bishops in charge of doctrine. He signed an accord with many Protestants in the 80s which aligned many lutherans and (even pat robertson if I remember) and the Catholic chruch on justification.

    The most important difference for me is Communion. I have no idea how fundamentalist protestants can claim to take the bible literally or Jesus at his word and reject his teaching on communion - starting at
    John 6:53 or so. Jesus tells you what it takes to have eternal life... and it is backed up by in 1 corinthinans 11:29
  5. The problem isn't catholicism.

    The problem is religion.
  6. ==========================
    Thoughtful gem size,points,Jem

    Thankfully the Washington Post has not acused [not yet]any church or saints of being vampires:D .Frankly i had God heal me during communion;
    so Catholics/Dr Pat Robertson maybe right on that.

    And i told a Catholic client once ''I have a mother named Mary'';
    but i never worshipped her.:cool: Sure, love, honor,love MOM

    Ordered once a Catholic Bible from a Baptist bookstore;
    never forget it, the manager had a fit, but ordered it anyway; Its called the Jerusalem Bible, footnotes full of errors..................................................................

    I remember years ago, Dr Adrain Rogers[Love Worth Finding] once told a super church, which supported Israel;
    mentioned the Pope had invited him to a religious assembly, but his full schedule did not permit it.

  7. this is so far from true, it is almost pathetic. Only a partial list:

    The Papacy and Priesthood
    In the Bible there are no popes or priests to rule over the church. Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all true Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Pet. 2:5). Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians who believe on Him (Heb. 10:10-11), so all priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural. Furthermore, the practice of calling a priest "father" is forbidden by Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:9. There is only ONE mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5).

    The Catholic church teaches that Peter was the first Pope and the earthly head of the church, but the Bible never says this once. In fact, it was Peter himself who spoke against "being lords over God's heritage" in I Peter 5:3. Popes do not marry, although Peter did (Mat. 8:14; I Cor. 9:5). The Bible never speaks of Peter being in Rome, and it was Paul, not Peter, who wrote the epistle to the Romans. In the New Testament, Paul wrote 100 chapters with 2,325 verses, while Peter wrote only 8 chapters with 166 verses. In Peter's first epistle he stated that he was simply "an apostle of Jesus Christ," not a Pope (I Pet. 1:1). The Roman papacy and priesthood is just a huge fraud to keep members in bondage to a corrupt pagan church.

    The Worship of Mary

    Roman Catholics believe that Mary, the mother of Jesus, remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus and was sinless all of her life. She is worshiped in the Catholic church as the "Mother of God" and the "Queen of Heaven." St. Bernard stated that she was crowned "Queen of Heaven" by God the Father, and that she currently sits upon a throne in Heaven making intercession for Christians.

    The Bible teaches otherwise. In the Bible, Mary was a sinner just like the rest of us. She said herself that she needed a "Saviour" (Lk. 1:47), and she even had to offer a sacrifice for her sins in Luke 2:24. Jesus was only her "firstborn" son, according to Matthew 1:25, because she later had other children as well (Mt. 13:55; Gal. 1:19; Psa. 69:8). There's only ONE mediator between God and men, and it isn't Mary (I Tim. 2:5). The last time we hear from Mary in the Bible she is praying WITH the disciples, not being prayed to BY the disciples (Acts 1:14). The Bible never exalts Mary above anyone else. Neither should we.


    The Catholic Church teaches that a Christian's soul must burn in purgatory after death until all of their sins have been purged. To speed up the purging process, money may be paid to a priest so he can pray and have special masses for an earlier release.

    This heresy began creeping into the Roman Church during the reign of Pope Gregory around the end of the sixth century, and it has no scriptural support. In fact, Jesus warned us about this pagan practice in Matthew 23:14 when He spoke of those who devoured widows houses and made long prayers for a pretence. Psalm 49:6-7 tells us that a person couldn't redeem a loved one, even if such a place did exist: "They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:"

    Peter addresses this issue in Acts 8:20 when he says, "Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." God's word is clearly against the doctrine of purgatory.

    The Mass

    By perverting the Christian practice of the Lord's Supper (Mat. 26:26-28; I Cor. 11:23-27), the Catholic Church has created the Mass, which they believe to be a continual sacrifice of Jesus Christ:

    "Christ...commanded that his bloody sacrifice on the Cross should be daily renewed by an unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood in the Mass under the simple elements of bread and wine." (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 10, Pg. 13, Article: "Mass, Sacrifice of")

    Jesus never made such a command. If you'll check the above references in Matthew 26 and I Corinthians 11, you'll see for yourself that the Lord's Supper is a MEMORIAL and a SHOWING of Christ's death until He comes again. It is not a sacrifice. The Catholic Encyclopedia states the following:

    "In the celebration of the Holy Mass, the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. It is called transubstantiation, for in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of bread and wine do not remain, but the entire substance of bread is changed into the body of Christ, and the entire substance of wine is changed into his blood, the species or outward semblence of bread and wine alone remaining." (Vol. 4, pg. 277, Article: "Consecration")

    The Catholic Church teaches that the "Holy Mass" is a LITERAL EATING AND DRINKING OF THE LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. The priest supposedly has the power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.

    Now, what does God's word say about such practices? If you'll read Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11-12, and Acts 15:29, you will find that God absolutely FORBIDS the drinking of blood all through the Bible.

    Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, but God's word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:

    "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."

    The mass is unnecessary and unscriptural.

    Image Worship

    The Catholic religion is filled with all sorts of symbols, images, and relics. The Catechism of the Council of Trent states these words:

    "It is lawful to have images in the Church, and to give honor and worship unto them..."

    It's lawful to honor and worship images? Not according to God's word. Exodus 20:4-5 says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." Image worship is unscriptural and will end with the eternal damnation of those who practice it (Rev. 14:11).

    Salvation by Works

    Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works:

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:5)

    Jesus Christ came into this world to lay down His sinless life for YOU--to pay for your sins, because you couldn't. Jesus is your only hope for salvation. Only by receiving Him as your Saviour can you enter the gates of Heaven. There is no other way.

    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6)

    The Lord Jesus Christ has come and PAID for your sins by shedding His own Blood on Calvary. By receiving Him as your Saviour, you can be WASHED from all your sins in His precious Blood (Rev. 1:5; Col. 1:14; Acts 20:28; I Pet. 1:18-19). Notice these important words from Romans 5:8-9:

    "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
  8. funny watching you bible thumpers beat up on each other about what the "real"god ment to say. one would think that an all knowing god could have wrote down instructions in a way that the sheep could understand.
  9. so basicly, if you're not anti-Catholic, you're an 'anti-semite'

    did you wipe your butt after you came up with that?

    you needed to

    the Vatican's current criticisms of Israel are well founded (not 'Hammas Propaganda' as Israel calls it) - I don't say that becasue I'm a Catholic, I say it because it's true

    I don't hesitate to dissagree with the Catholic church, as in it's position on illegal immigration
  10. murray t is with a doubt "Early Cuyler."

    "Five million years ago, the Atlantic Ocean covered North America all the way to the Ohio Valley. As the ocean receded to form our present-day geography, a family of squids was stranded in a remote setting in the North Georgia mountains. This motley melange of mischievous mollusks, influenced by the rural ways of the redneck locals, quickly "adapticise" to a world of fighting, feuding..."

    #10     Jan 27, 2009