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Is Trading Gambling or not
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Gambling 438 34.98%
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MrsSavant
 

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 620

 

04-10-05 09:17 PM

Before I ask Electric to help me reply to you. First look as to WHY the example is an edge. I do not think Electric is suggesting that. I think the example is proof that trading is not gambling...or maybe not..


Wifey


Quote from John47:

Mrs. S,

I looked at Electric's example. Relating it to what I said.....If his method guarentees a profit....then your right. But if it is an edge that puts the odds highly in your favor....then again, its just like a pro poker player who has a sound strategy for which hands to play.

If you don't have a system with a guarenteed winner with every trade, you are playing odds and probability, just like a pro poker player.

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ElectricSavant
 

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 14844

 

04-10-05 09:19 PM

john 47,

It is a simple mathematical model that you can take down to zero and up to thousands and thousands....fully hedged and grabbing volatility.

However such "too volatile an instrument" will cause trade size to be to small in relation to equity traded (note I did not say risk capital)


Michael B.

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ElectricSavant
 

Registered: Jan 2003
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04-10-05 09:20 PM

Is this an oxymoran... I like it...



Quote from mhashe:

Trading is gambling.

Only in this game you control the odds.

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NickelScalper
 

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 745

 

04-10-05 09:21 PM

There is an element of gambling any time you depend on a less than certain outcome.

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ElectricSavant
 

Registered: Jan 2003
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04-10-05 09:25 PM

Come on NS

You can do better than the "semantics" driven post...this is boring...

Apply it to the example (s)

Lets not turn this into another duh trading or gambling thread..

Come out with it...

what say you, why is trading gambling? don't post what sounds good. NS this is semantics





Quote from NickelScalper:

There is an element of gambling any time you depend on a less than certain outcome.

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ElectricSavant
 

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04-10-05 09:28 PM

Sigh, this is getting boring....Same old ET...

Question.

Do most instruments range more than they trend by percentage of time?

Michael B.




Quote from kjkent1:

In my opinion, whether or not trading = gambling, depends largely upon the potential for loss on the trade.

Gambling and trading both rely on a legal contract that basically says, "In exchange for my wager of $X, you will pay me $Y, if I guess correctly on the agreed upon subject of the wager. Otherwise, I lose $X."

Examples:

If I am trading long on a stock that pays a 5% annual dividend, then while I may lose my initial trade, I may get all my money back, and more, over the long run. This is not gambling, in my opinion, because, if I stretch the wager out long enough, I will eventually win (unless the corporation terminates its dividend).

If I am trading an option, however, and I remain "out of the money" until expiration, then I lose $X, and there is no hope of ever recovering. This exactly satisfies the conditions of the legal definition of a gambling contract, as described above, therefore it "is" gambling.

The "odds" may be superior in the "market" as compared to the casino, but the character of the game is exactly the same.

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