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PetaDollar
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03-08-05 05:36 PM

here's the picture

bondzones-vsrandom.png
This has been downloaded 416 time(s).

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PetaDollar
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03-08-05 05:41 PM

Also a message to newbs: I hope you can now see some of the things you need to do to make money. You can't just use the latest gizmo from your software vendor like some of the testimonials I have read on various sites:

'Just a quick note as the trading day progresses. I have to say I was a little worried when you brought out the new ------. As usual you were right. Brilliant is the word that comes to mind. I am using the ------- this morning. I am up 18 points in the Russell using these ---- alone. See attached chart. I am ignoring the other indicators generally. I look for the ------ to be on the bottom for a long and then look at the ----- for a confirmation of entry. If there is no ----- on the ------ I refuse the entry. So far today six trades, four winners for the aforementioned 18 points on two contracts. I can go play golf now! I added an arrow and the word “Chop” to the chart. When there are no -------------- it seems to indicate chop. That’s a wonderful chop indicator if it works out. Thank you for your continued outstanding work in our behalf.'

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PetaDollar
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03-08-05 05:50 PM


Quote from EricP:


For active systems, the deactivation decision is based upon the results of the most recent "X" number of PAPER trades (typically, 120). It is assumed that the most recent paper trades pretty accurately matches the lilve trades, as this is continually monitored.




Seems like you'd need a lot less trades than 120 with MC, but that depends on the distribution of trades itself. Hey, I guess that's one advantage of a MC. It takes this effect into account, so perhaps we could say that MC may save money for certain trade distributions. Perhaps you could analyze that dist. I posted with the gaussian methods for comparison?

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PetaDollar
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03-08-05 08:19 PM

a-ha moment:

Any probability distribution of trades (gaussian or not) will yield a gaussian distribution of results after N trades, as long as N is high enough and the trades are independent (central limit theorem). So if you want to compare the mean and variance of of your live trading results with that of your backtested results, you have two problems:

(1) You need a large number of trades N to generate your gaussian distribution of results.

(2) If the trades are not independent in the first place, you have to be careful with how you interpret "mean" and "variance". Your distribution of results is not gaussian.

Using a monte carlo, you get rid of both of these problems at once.

(1) Many less trades are required, since you can now compare distributions directly. By using a set of 100,000 traders, you can see how likely it would be to achieve a certain result with only 10-20 trades.

(2) Since you are not using "mean" and "variance" to compare your results anymore, it is a moot point whether your results are independent or not. You are comparing distributions directly.

This all makes sense to me now... but i'm open to re-education if neccesary.

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03-08-05 08:24 PM

1. What software are you using to generate MC analysis?

2. Peter, I don't know if you answered EricP's question but how do you activate a system once it has been deactivated using your MC analysis?

Thanks
another Eric

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PetaDollar
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03-08-05 08:28 PM

The program is freely available in the files section of the AustinTraders Yahoo group. You have to download all nine data files (1MB each) plus the setup program.

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