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jimcrist
 

Registered: Jul 2003
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02-24-04 09:45 PM

I'm a swing trader that trades breakouts using a system I developed and backtested. I tried to develop and backtest a pullback system, but I was never able to find a system that backtested well. I'm curious as to why this is. Is it 'cuz breakout systems are just better than pullback systems or is it 'cuz I never hit on a good system or what? Does anyone have a pullback system that backtests well? Any insights on this conundrum are appreciated.

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lindq
 

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02-25-04 03:51 AM


Quote from jimcrist:

I'm a swing trader that trades breakouts using a system I developed and backtested. I tried to develop and backtest a pullback system, but I was never able to find a system that backtested well. I'm curious as to why this is. Is it 'cuz breakout systems are just better than pullback systems or is it 'cuz I never hit on a good system or what? Does anyone have a pullback system that backtests well? Any insights on this conundrum are appreciated.



What parameters were you testing for a pullback system that wasn't giving you good results? My experience has been that a good pullback system is easier to trade and generally more profitable than breakouts for swing trades.

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nitro
 

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02-25-04 05:36 AM

Yes.

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OddTrader
 

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02-25-04 05:38 AM


Quote from jimcrist:

Does anyone have a pullback system that backtests well?



Perhaps try this book (p.92):

http://www.acmetrader.com/pages/917519/index.htm

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The Acme F System is based on the work of W.D. Gann and a recent book by Steve Woods called The Precision Profit Float Indicator. The float of a stock is simply the number of shares that are available for trading. By analyzing the supply and demand patterns of a certain stock based on its float, the F System pinpoints breakout points and turning points by combining float turnover with chart patterns such as triple bottoms and pullbacks.
UQ

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TheStudent
 

Registered: Jul 2003
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02-25-04 05:17 PM

works for me so far .... but you do have to pick your market and your spots very very carefully.

Pullbacks are harder to trade too because you can't really scale in - there isn't enough space in a pullback - it's time & length constrained. So you have to bet big going in on the first pass - which can result in crippling losses if you on the wrong side facing a runaway market.

Breakouts are easier to trade in the sense that you can put small bets on and scale in as you go along - trends are longer and take more time. Each loss in the chops is small.

Finally, you can trade massive size in trends, but not in pullbacks, which is probably why more of the big players seem to trade trends than pullbacks (although i don't know this for certain!)

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limitdown
 

Registered: Jun 2001
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02-25-04 05:31 PM


Quote from jimcrist:

I'm a swing trader that trades breakouts using a system I developed and backtested. I tried to develop and backtest a pullback system, but I was never able to find a system that backtested well. I'm curious as to why this is. Is it 'cuz breakout systems are just better than pullback systems or is it 'cuz I never hit on a good system or what? Does anyone have a pullback system that backtests well? Any insights on this conundrum are appreciated.



NO.

The simulations are excellent on a number of programs and packages.

When I designed and presided over design of multi million dollar private client trading systems development, we would spend countless hours on complex mathematical smoothing processes to verify not just projections but backtestors. These paled in comparison to sinking someone's boat through trading losses and were simply unacceptable.

We opted for real world analysis that humans do on an ongoing basis, and paid the cost for hiring those with the most expensive degrees from some of the most expensive snob schools in the country instead.

eye to eye.....

that's the answer, sorry.

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