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Brass
 

Registered: Jan 2012
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08-25-12 08:52 PM

Associated Press

NEW YORK—All nine bystanders caught in the crossfire of a shooting outside the Empire State Building were wounded by two police officers who had never fired their weapons on duty, authorities confirmed Saturday...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...=googlenews_wsj

So, yeah, sure, more guns in the hands of ordinary citizens, with even LESS training, will make everyone safer.

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Lucrum
 

Registered: Dec 2003
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08-25-12 09:11 PM


Quote from Brass:

Associated Press

NEW YORK—All nine bystanders caught in the crossfire of a shooting outside the Empire State Building were wounded by two police officers who had never fired their weapons on duty, authorities confirmed Saturday...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...=googlenews_wsj

So, yeah, sure, more guns in the hands of ordinary citizens, with even LESS training, will make everyone safer.



Here in the US nationwide 11% of police shootings involve innocent bystanders getting shot by mistake. During shootings by "ordinary citizens" only 2% of shootings involve innocent bystanders getting hit unintentionally.

Either "ordinary citizens" here in the US are BETTER trained than police or training has little if anything to do with the issue.

Truth is most "ordinary citizens" train/practice more often than most law enforcement officers. Another potential explanation of the disparity is that generally speaking LEO's tend to get a pass after shooting bystanders. Whereas "ordinary citizens" are frequently prosecuted after such mistakes. In fact they're often prosecuted even if no bystanders were hit AND the shooting was completely legal and justified. That alone is enough to make an "ordinary citizen" make god damn sure of his targets background before firing.


Now being a bleeding heart girly man liberal in touch with his feelings.
How does it feel to have just been completely eviscerated by facts you not only can't dispute but that make your assertion about supposedly untrained "ordinary citizens" not needing more firearms look utterly ridiculous?

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trendlover
 

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08-25-12 10:39 PM

[QUOTE]Quote from Lucrum:

[B]Here in the US nationwide 11% of police shootings involve innocent bystanders getting shot by mistake. During shootings by "ordinary citizens" only 2% of shootings involve innocent bystanders getting hit unintentionally.

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I know really nothing about guns. But for your % maybe is because police more likely to be on the city street with many people around when they shoot the gun.. And for "ordinary citizens" is more likely they in their house and not so many people in the house?

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Lucrum
 

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08-25-12 11:04 PM


Quote from trendlover:

I know really nothing about guns.

In your defense most other anti gun leftists don't know much either. Would you try to tell a brain surgeon how to operate? I wouldn't, I don't know anything about it. Why would I?

But for your % maybe is because police more likely to be on the city street with many people around when they shoot the gun.. And for "ordinary citizens" is more likely they in their house and not so many people in the house?



IF most or all of police shootings occurred in crowded city streets AND most or all of armed citizen shootings occurred everywhere BUT crowded city streets you might have had a point there. I could see where it MIGHT even account for some of the disparity. But police shooting the wrong people more that FIVE times as often? I don't think so.

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trendlover
 

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08-25-12 11:59 PM


Quote from Lucrum:

In your defense most other anti gun leftists don't know much either. Would you try to tell a brain surgeon how to operate? I wouldn't, I don't know anything about it. Why would I?
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You always talking left and right when I am talking about that. I really do not like politics too much. [QUOTE]Quote from Lucrum:Would you try to tell a brain surgeon how to operate?
I am not talking to you about how to shoot the gun
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[QUOTE]Quote from Lucrum:
IF most or all of police shootings occurred in crowded city streets AND most or all of armed citizen shootings occurred everywhere BUT crowded city streets you might have had a point there. I could see where it MIGHT even account for some of the disparity. But police shooting the wrong people more that [b]FIVE
times as often? I don't think so.


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"IF"? So I think you have to look to see how they get the %

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Lucrum
 

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08-26-12 12:33 AM


Quote from trendlover:

"IF"?



Yes IF. Not all police shooting occur in crowded city streets.

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