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RangeTrader
 

Registered: Mar 2012
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08-06-12 03:59 AM

I really don't care too much for most 1st derivative indicators. RSI, MACD, Stochastics, etc... MACD is actually a 1st and 2nd derivative indicator.

1st derivative indicators are very lagging generally.

2nd derivative indicators are low lag and excellent for confirmation.

3rd derivative indicators are generally price leading and very useful... Great for calculating divergences!!!

Nothing useful beyond 3rd derivative. Perhaps 4th/3rd derivative crossovers are useful. Never checked.


It was a year and a half ago when I coded my first 3rd derivative indicators. Who else here knows how to create a 3rd derivative indicator and why it's so nice? 3rd derivative indicators are so much fun... 75%+ of the time it's like knowing the future before it happens...


The ultimate is the non derivative though. Price itself as an indicator.

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ocean5
 

Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 934

 

08-06-12 04:39 AM

75% not good.115% would be great!

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JuniorCTA
 

Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 335

 

08-06-12 04:40 AM

I can't tell if your preaching or asking questions?





Quote from RangeTrader:

I really don't care too much for most 1st derivative indicators. RSI, MACD, Stochastics, etc... MACD is actually a 1st and 2nd derivative indicator.

1st derivative indicators are very lagging generally.

2nd derivative indicators are low lag and excellent for confirmation.

3rd derivative indicators are generally price leading and very useful... Great for calculating divergences!!!

Nothing useful beyond 3rd derivative. Perhaps 4th/3rd derivative crossovers are useful. Never checked.


It was a year and a half ago when I coded my first 3rd derivative indicators. Who else here knows how to create a 3rd derivative indicator and why it's so nice? 3rd derivative indicators are so much fun... 75%+ of the time it's like knowing the future before it happens...


The ultimate is the non derivative though. Price itself as an indicator.

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RangeTrader
 

Registered: Mar 2012
Posts: 705

 

08-06-12 04:54 AM

I'm just bored and my mind is wandering... But I'm actually not joking.

I have never actually analyzed the 4th derivative of MACD...

I coded it in on my custom MACD formula a few minutes ago and the 4th derivative is actually decent when price is oscillating in a range...


My main indicator is 1st derivative, but it's just for price pattern analysis... So I am using it like a 2nd derivative even though it's a 1st derivative.

The 4th derivative is the red/green line. Signals are when the indicator changes slope as I have pointed out with my photoshop added arrows.

4thderivativeofmacd.png
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RangeTrader
 

Registered: Mar 2012
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08-06-12 05:08 AM

4th Derivative of MACD SPX Daily...

Very interesting indeed... Could time some entry quite well... Placing them in the last five minutes before close. (Not like price is going to shift enough in that time to change the signal.)

But... Honestly, once you understand the 4th derivative all you need is the 3rd derivative as you can tell what the 4th derivative is by the curve of the 3rd derivative easily.

4thderivativeofmacdspxdaily.png
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swag
 

Registered: Oct 2011
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08-06-12 05:24 AM

I've seen a guy in a local prop shop use 3rd derivative's to hedge MACD crossover's, didn't see his pnl but said he was pulling in $10k a week in NYSE listed names. He also said he prefers Dos Equis.

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