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morganist
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07-30-12 11:59 PM

Has western style socialism broken people's spirits?

A discussion on the above topic. What do you think? Has the socialist style of government or wealth distribution system through the confiscation of goods made people feel like it is not worth working or at least it is harder than the alternative?

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achilles28
 

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07-31-12 12:17 AM

Welfare states were created under demographic and cultural homogeny. With the recent influx of third-world immigrants who want something for nothing, and the notable slide in western morality, the welfare state can't survive. It's crushing the taxpayer, which yes, makes the productive not want to work (or work less).

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failed_trad3r
 

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07-31-12 12:36 AM


Quote from morganist:

Has western style socialism broken people's spirits?

A discussion on the above topic. What do you think? Has the socialist style of government or wealth distribution system through the confiscation of goods made people feel like it is not worth working or at least it is harder than the alternative?



No, still 99% of voters for for either socialist party in the USA. 99% of Americans are socialists still.

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logic_man
 

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07-31-12 12:48 AM


Quote from morganist:

Has western style socialism broken people's spirits?

A discussion on the above topic. What do you think? Has the socialist style of government or wealth distribution system through the confiscation of goods made people feel like it is not worth working or at least it is harder than the alternative?



The desire for socialism is a symptom of an already-broken spirit. Therefore, the less an individual desires socialism, the less of a broken spirit that person is.

It's all in Nietzsche, at least the psychological and philosophical aspects of it. You won't find a detailed analysis of political economy in his works, but at some point, you don't need one.

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BSAM
 

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07-31-12 12:49 AM

The American people are under siege by a so-called government who has no regard for our Constitution.
The real question is when will they get the guts to say no more?

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logic_man
 

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07-31-12 12:54 AM


Quote from failed_trad3r:

No, still 99% of voters for for either socialist party in the USA. 99% of Americans are socialists still.



Can we distinguish between legitimate "public goods" and "socialism" for the purposes of discussion? There are a lot of people who want the government to function in its proper role of providing public goods, of which there is a specific definition (military and police being one of the most obvious and least contentious). One of the problems of dealing with socialists (hardcore or softcore) is that they want to turn everything under the sun into a public good, even when it doesn't meet the definition. Thus, they will say that medical care is a public good, even though it clearly is not, except insofar as it relates to communicable disease, where the government should definitely play a role in quarantining diseased individuals. That's it, though.

Or they will call things "market failures" as a justification for turning over control of that aspect of society to the government when there really is no market failure or market failure was caused by government interference to begin with, so granting the government additional powers compounds the issue.

Calling everything "socialism" is unhelpful, though, and is part of the general trend toward sloppiness and imprecision in language.

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