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Wallace
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 3022 |
07-10-12 11:08 PM
NO forex/futures broker can provide a guarantee they will not go out of business due to
incompetence or theft
until the CFTC and NFA make brokers anti up for insurance, Your funds are not safe
it's only good faith you still have your money in your account next week
Canada is the only country guaranteeing client funds up to C$1,000,000 which is why
all MFG Canada clients got all their money the day after the MFG bankruptcy was declared
thanks to the CIPF - Canadian Investor Protection Fund http://www.cipf.ca/HomePage.aspx
balls to regulations and 'vigorous' bullshit, unless regulators are monitoring each and
every transaction every broker is making 24/7 they will never know what's gone on until
after the fact and client funds have been lost due to incompetence or theft
the Only protection is insurance
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PocketChange
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 2037 |
07-10-12 11:49 PM
+1
The solution is simple and cost effective:
Require all fiduciaries that hold or handle client segregated cash to carry a surety bond for 110% of all cash marked to market each day. If the funds are held in client named accounts no insurance is necessary.
Screw the arguments that the customer will bear the costs. The customer currently bears all the costs and risks and have little hope for timely r meaningful recovery.
For now until these sureties are protections are established best to trade futures from outside of the US. AKA Canada or Europe where funds are not commingled in the segregated account sham. All segregated means is they hold the cash in their name and have a journal entry on some peace of toilet paper somewhere acknowledging the IOU. Interest free loan as they are allowed to use these funds to earn interest for their own benefit.
In Europe all funds are held in Customer Named Accounts.
Quote from Wallace:
NO forex/futures broker can provide a guarantee they will not go out of business due to
incompetence or theft
until the CFTC and NFA make brokers anti up for insurance, Your funds are not safe
it's only good faith you still have your money in your account next week
Canada is the only country guaranteeing client funds up to C$1,000,000 which is why
all MFG Canada clients got all their money the day after the MFG bankruptcy was declared
thanks to the CIPF - Canadian Investor Protection Fund http://www.cipf.ca/HomePage.aspx
balls to regulations and 'vigorous' bullshit, unless regulators are monitoring each and
every transaction every broker is making 24/7 they will never know what's gone on until
after the fact and client funds have been lost due to incompetence or theft
the Only protection is insurance
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southall
Registered: Mar 2010
Posts: 388 |
07-11-12 12:48 AM
Im thinking the regulators must have been applying the pressure on PFGBest after MF Global, that is why the guy tried to top himself.
To attempt suicide must of meant he knew they were very close to getting him.
With electronic checking of bank deposits, which is what they started to do on him, it will definitely get harder to pull of this scam.
After the MFGlobal thing i was less worried in that i thought we wont see something similar until the regulators get complacent again. Probably 5 or 10 years from now.
I still think that.
It seems the missing money was gone from PFG even before MF Global blew up.
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oldtime
Registered: Jun 2011
Posts: 7389 |
07-11-12 01:06 AM
Quote from southall:
Im thinking the regulators must have been applying the pressure on PFGBest after MF Global, that is why the guy tried to top himself.
To suicide must of meant he knew they were very close to getting him.
With electronic checking of bank deposits, which is what they started to do on him, it will definitely get harder to pull of this scam.
After the MFGlobal thing i was less worried in that i thought we wont see something similar until the regulators get complacent again. Probably 5 or 10 years from now.
I still think that.
It seems the missing money was gone from PFG even before MF Global blew up.
yeah, that's the way I see it also
no new rules are needed, and especially no new fees for insurance, the rules are already in place, but the regulators are slow and incompetent, because they are not accountable to any customer
the sipc protection for futures and forex is open to a lot of debate, especially among those that have an axe to grind against ib
you have two choices
clear yourself or talk to Lloyds
getting back to fees for insurance, why should I pay a fee because the broker is a crook and the regulators are too stupid to figure that out until it is too late?
I however would pay a premium in management fees for an insurance policy against a bankrupt broker, but it aint none of the governments damn business if I want to pay that fee or not
their job is to regulate the brokers who supposedly they are getting paid to regulate
and so far, they did a piss poor job on mf and pfg
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PocketChange
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 2037 |
07-11-12 01:19 AM
regarding insurance:
The fact that the Broker/Dealers can earn interest and make profits from funds held in your name but under their control and for their sole benefit is enough to require they provide Surety Insurance or FDIC pass through.
Even Paypal has FDIC pass through insurance on their customer segregated cash. Their Client funds are deposited in a Paypal Bank Account annotating the client segregation. This arrangement costs Paypal zero and covers I believe up to the FDIC limits.
The reason why Customer segregated funds held by your Broker Dealer are not receiving FDIC pass through is because these funds are not held in a bank account. They are in use by the Broker/Dealer...
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yeah, that's the way I see it also
no new rules are needed, and especially no new fees for insurance, the rules are already in place, but the regulators are slow and incompetent, because they are not accountable to any customer
the sipc protection for futures and forex is open to a lot of debate, especially among those that have an axe to grind against ib
you have two choices
clear yourself or talk to Lloyds
getting back to fees for insurance, why should I pay a fee because the broker is a crook and the regulators are too stupid to figure that out until it is too late?
I however would pay a premium in management fees for an insurance policy against a bankrupt broker, but it aint none of the governments damn business if I want to pay that fee or not
their job is to regulate the brokers who supposedly they are getting paid to regulate
and so far, they did a piss poor job on mf and pfg
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