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schulzey

Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 77

07-05-12 10:31 PM

Hi everyone, I've primarily been an swing trader in stocks and am switching over to Eminis. Since I'm going to play the ES for short term trades and M6E for longer term trades I need to understand the risks of the short term ES trades as it's unfamiliar territory for me.

What I'm curious about is how fast and by how much the ES can move against you when things get crazy volatile. I've heard of some big moves happening very fast in the ES afterhours catching people by surprise.

What is the biggest and fastest move that someone has seen trading the ES during US market or after market hours? Some people have told me they've seen 40 point moves afterhours in a matter of minutes.

If these kinds of things happen often where they would blow past stops, I might reconsider how much capital I'm planning on putting towards my ES trades.

As always, thanks for any input!

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schulzey

Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 77

07-05-12 10:32 PM

I would assume there are some horror stories out there with price blowing past stops. I'd like to hear them to know some worst case scenarios.

I'm still trading the ninjatrader ES demo until I get a feel for how everything goes.

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abattia

Registered: Dec 2008
Posts: 983

07-06-12 06:24 AM

Check out market behaviour from about 08:46:30 EST onwards on September 11, 2001.

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oldtime

Registered: Jun 2011
Posts: 7356

07-06-12 06:44 AM

like the man said, "The markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."

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schulzey

Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 77

07-06-12 07:16 AM

Quote from abattia:

Check out market behaviour from about 08:46:30 EST onwards on September 11, 2001.

I don't have charts that go that far back with intraday data. Is there any way you could post it?

I'm just looking to see worse case scenarios. ES is a lot of leverage and I want to be prepared for all the things that can happen.

I'll end up trading the M6E for the most part but I'd like to trade short term here and there on the ES.

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schulzey

Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 77

07-06-12 07:19 AM

Quote from oldtime:

like the man said, "The markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."

I'm not looking to hold on to a losing position with an irrational market. I never let a position go past a stop I set before I enter a trade.

What I am worried about is things out of my control. Fed announcements (although I can avoid those), natural disasters, terrorist attacks, etc. I'm just wondering worse case scenarios what could happen in the ES.

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