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Mercor
 

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06-29-12 03:52 PM


Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

There is a kernel of truth in what Will wrote. From a legalistic standpoint, it was gratifying that they ruled that there are some limits on the Commerce Clause

However, Will seems to have missed the fact that Roberts justified totally endrunning the Commerce Clause limitation by using the tax rationale. There may be close cases where something is either a tax or a penalty. This wasn't one of them. The fee for not having health insurance was clearly a penalty, designed to enforce compliance, and it was never intended otherwise.

In short, it doesn't matter what they said about the Commerce Clause, because it is a dead letter insofar as limiting congressional action.


Roberts makes the case that whatever you call it, it is all a tax.

Politicians calls things fee, mandates, bond sales to mask that all these revenues are in fact a tax.

The big change is that a tax used to be defined needing to be fairly applied to all populations.

Hopefully the public will now be more aware of all the stealth ways politicians are sucking money from the private sector.

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RCG Trader
 

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06-29-12 04:25 PM

Stage 3: Bargaining. See the whole thread

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OccupyThis
 

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06-29-12 04:41 PM


Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

There is a kernel of truth in what Will wrote. From a legalistic standpoint, it was gratifying that they ruled that there are some limits on the Commerce Clause

However, Will seems to have missed the fact that Roberts justified totally endrunning the Commerce Clause limitation by using the tax rationale. There may be close cases where something is either a tax or a penalty. This wasn't one of them. The fee for not having health insurance was clearly a penalty, designed to enforce compliance, and it was never intended otherwise.

In short, it doesn't matter what they said about the Commerce Clause, because it is a dead letter insofar as limiting congressional action.



Agree. The precedent set by allowing a tax to now be issued on non activity is detrimental to all Americans long term. The doors to taxation has been blown wide open now. Non participation behavior is now taxable. Don't subscribe to FOX News- fine but and here is your tax penalty for refusing to participate.

The problem for liberals is that they can never see past today.

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RCG Trader
 

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06-29-12 04:42 PM


Quote from OccupyThis:

The problem for liberals is that they can never see past today.



So, Chief Justice Roberts is a liberal now?

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OccupyThis
 

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06-29-12 05:15 PM


Quote from RCG Trader:

So, Chief Justice Roberts is a liberal now?



Wasn't speaking of him but people like you who can't see what this ruling is really about and it ain't healthcare.

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RCG Trader
 

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06-29-12 05:17 PM


Quote from OccupyThis:

Wasn't speaking of him but people like you who can't see what this ruling is really about and it ain't healthcare.



But it was YOUR GUY who cast the deciding vote!

So I ask again, is Chief Justice Roberts a liberal now?

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