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jcl
 

Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 407

 

05-17-12 02:34 PM

Theoretically, it should be possible to make money even with a strategy that is not profitable. I don't mean selling it to newbies for $10000, but by using it in a compound system.

Suppose you have two uncorrelated strategies A and B, with A returning 80% profit and B 40% profit. A compound system of both strategies will not return 60%, but likely more than 100% - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I think this is commonly known. But surprisingly, this should even work when strategy B is slightly losing, f.i. -10%. As long as it has some negative correlation to the other strategies, adding it to a compound system can theoretically improve the overall return by reducing drawdown.

Has someone already made experiences with compound systems from uncorrelated or negatively correlated strategies and assets? What's the best money management for such systems - covariance based or optimal f?

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Soon2Bgreat
 

Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 500

 

05-17-12 02:47 PM

m2c: Sure, it can be viewed as a cost of hedging and if it improves r/r, then that's great. That said, you should usually be able to find a similar strategy that provides the same diversification yet has a positive expectancy (or at least, not negative).

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HurricaneUS
 

Registered: Aug 2008
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05-17-12 03:55 PM

John Patrick's Regression System for gamblers can probably be adapted to trading in order to turn a 50% winning 1-to-1 risk-reward system profitable....

...working my way through his book as we speak...


Money Management for Gamblers

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nonlinear5
 

Registered: May 2006
Posts: 1059

 

05-17-12 04:19 PM


Quote from jcl:

Suppose you have two uncorrelated strategies A and B, with A returning 80% profit and B 40% profit. A compound system of both strategies will not return 60%, but likely more than 100% - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.



Not sure how you derived this. By your reasoning, if I run the compound of two uncorrelated strategies A and B, which are both coin-flip types of strategies with the expectancy of each being correct is 50% of the time, my expectancy becomes greater than 50%?

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NetTecture
 

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1010

 

05-17-12 04:43 PM

He is right, possibly - if the signals from winning strategy a happen mostly at the time strategy b looses a lot, it could be used as a filter, which may pull strategy b into winning territory. Something along those lines.

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kauflaune
 

Registered: Mar 2012
Posts: 9

 

05-17-12 04:43 PM

Best thread on the topic I know of:

Blending noncorrelated (or anti-correlated) equity curves
http://www.tradingblox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8342

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