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spanish89
 

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 3503

 

05-17-12 11:25 AM

I took a 9month holiday from trading from last autumn till yesterday.

When i left last autumn Italian bonds had just retreated after hitting 7%,
Greece had just agreed to a new bailout (after some media stunt where the PM backed out of the deal for a few hours),
all the markets had crashed down 15-20% over about 3months, but was finally settling down and Greece headlines stopped coming out.


I returned yesterday,
looked at the news over the past few weeks to try getting a picture of what the current economic news scene is and what the current major deadlines are for Greece.... ect

But am very confused as to why a Greece default and exit from the euro still is NOT priced into the markets??


Everytime any headline comes out from Greece about them planning on rejecting the EU imposed austerity and so leaving the euro the markets all get shocked and surprised,
and then drop a few % in seconds!

But so why isn't Greece's leaving of the euro priced in yet?

Whats happened over the last 9months that ive missed thats causing this?

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tortoise
 

Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 2580

 

05-17-12 12:52 PM

I suspect it already is, and this is just a flush.

Here's a link just posted on Twittter:

http://peterosterlund.com/2012/05/1...market-rally-2/

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noob_trad3r
 

Registered: Nov 2008
Posts: 1741

 

05-17-12 01:19 PM


Quote from tortoise:

I suspect it already is, and this is just a flush.

Here's a link just posted on Twittter:

http://peterosterlund.com/2012/05/1...market-rally-2/



It is not priced in fully. Because Hope is still priced into the stock market, Hope of some last minute miracle.

When Greece defaults, Hope gets priced out of the stock market and then you will see a big drop.

Hope and a Prayer is still priced in right now.

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logic_man
 

Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 1489

 

05-17-12 01:41 PM


Quote from spanish89:

I took a 9month holiday from trading from last autumn till yesterday.

When i left last autumn Italian bonds had just retreated after hitting 7%,
Greece had just agreed to a new bailout (after some media stunt where the PM backed out of the deal for a few hours),
all the markets had crashed down 15-20% over about 3months, but was finally settling down and Greece headlines stopped coming out.


I returned yesterday,
looked at the news over the past few weeks to try getting a picture of what the current economic news scene is and what the current major deadlines are for Greece.... ect

But am very confused as to why a Greece default and exit from the euro still is NOT priced into the markets??


Everytime any headline comes out from Greece about them planning on rejecting the EU imposed austerity and so leaving the euro the markets all get shocked and surprised,
and then drop a few % in seconds!

But so why isn't Greece's leaving of the euro priced in yet?

Whats happened over the last 9months that ive missed thats causing this?



Well, new information is constantly coming out causing people to revise their forecasts and trade accordingly. It could be the case that this week's drop isn't even about Greece at all, but about Spain, Italy and other weak Euro members. Perhaps the info coming out of Greece is, due to correlations between Greece and those other Euro member states, driving down traders' estimates for what those states' economies will look like in the future.

If that's the case, your thread headline should be something like "Is it really true that the bad news out of Greece has future implications for Spain's, Italy's and Portugal's Euro membership and likelihood of default?"

When it comes to fundamentals, you have to think about the "ripple effects" of any specific news items, especially in an interconnected situation like the Eurozone.

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noob_trad3r
 

Registered: Nov 2008
Posts: 1741

 

05-17-12 01:47 PM

Credit Default Swaps trigger this time if greek defaults. Unlike with the haircut.

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mokwit
 

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 2333

 

05-17-12 02:38 PM


Quote from noob_trad3r:

Credit Default Swaps trigger this time if greek defaults. Unlike with the haircut.



You realise if that happened US investment banks would lose money. BEN!

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