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Is there direct manipulation in the stock market?
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OddTrader
 

Registered: Mar 2003
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05-06-12 03:23 PM

"Is there direct manipulation in the stock market?"

Technically we don't usually call it like that. We say collaborative or collective actions, as JH often promotes it on ET.

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Fractals 'R Us
 

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 1874

 

05-06-12 04:55 PM

I'm looking at some intraday charts, plotting transactions that go off at the ask and at the bid separately... either I'm seeing the effect of just what traders were thinking for the day, their trend bias, or I'm seeing some very clever algos using their abilities with the fake bids and all to manipulate price to the long side.. certainly the news is massaged to promote the long bias, look at how the last jobs data was reported on.

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deaddog
 

Registered: Apr 2007
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05-06-12 05:00 PM


Quote from flipside21:

What does everyone think? Is there direct manipulation in the stock market?



Would you consider stop hunting manipulation?

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BSAM
 

Registered: Sep 1999
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05-06-12 06:09 PM


Quote from Tsing Tao:

LOL! SEC. hahahah!




Got to give you credit.
That's funny!

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BSAM
 

Registered: Sep 1999
Posts: 8377

 

05-06-12 06:10 PM


Quote from the1:

The simple changing of the rate of interest is the purest form of makret manipulation. Beyond that, if you don't think the market is manipulated on a short term basis you're trading with your eyes closed. That shouldn't be an excuse for losing money, however. What's stopping you from recognizing periods of manipulation and trading on that side of the market?

If you can't beat them, join them.



Excellent post, The!

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Zr1Trader
 

Registered: Dec 2010
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05-06-12 06:18 PM

If I am trading an instrument , say silver for example, ( a relatively thin market) and take out a few levels of DOM with my market order and move the market a few ticks, is that manipulation? If I'm a big player , my actions are going to move it more than a couple stupid ticks, especially if I really need to get out . Happens all the time.

In fact gold and silver are some of the most manipulated instruments out there, see (JPM & Silver) .

It is my belief that manipulation can only be temporary and must resolve through natural market forces eventually. When Silver started cracking above 20 dollars JPM's big shorts were getting toasted.

Big players know where retail put their stops , they need that liquidity to get filled so it is in their best interest to get to that liquidity.

The market exists to fill orders, just as cub foods supermarket is trying to fill the most orders between seller and buyer . The more volume they do the more profit.

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