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pythontrader
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04-27-12 12:29 PM
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I hate people who debate like you, you have nothing factual to say just a vague load of crap then you try to insult and bait others to an argumentative level..
Grow a pair...
I'm glad I'm old.
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Martinghoul
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04-27-12 12:47 PM
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Ok. Even with all this data (let alone its accuracy) being available, we just do not know how the whole system will behave in case of unexpected disturbances and what the ramifications of such a scenario are.
This is 100% correct and there's a lot of work and analysis that lots of people are doing to try and understand the system fragility issues. And yes, this work is needed and useful, but none of it uses notional values as a starting point. Only ZH and his ilk keep putting these ridiculously large numbers forward for shock 'n awe purposes, which actually betrays their total ignorance of the subject. However, I think most people are aware now that it's a bunch of bollox.
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pythontrader
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04-27-12 12:58 PM
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This is 100% correct and there's a lot of work and analysis that lots of people are doing to try and understand the fragility issues. And yes, this work is needed and useful, but none of it uses notional values as a starting point. Only ZH and his ilk keep putting these ridiculously large numbers forward for shock 'n awe purposes, which actually betrays their total ignorance of the subject. However, I think most people are aware now that it's a bunch of bollox.
Agreed. The problem is we might be looking at a black hole here. Schouldn't we better be thinking about the root of the problem instead?
I mean we are trying to chase a runaway train here trying to understand the whole complexity. This is what I call the arrogance. Why not stick to the things we do understand and take it from there?
Re. the numbers and ZH: I stopped trying to understand the intentions of those people. The numbers are irrelevant anyway.
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Martinghoul
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04-27-12 01:10 PM
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Agreed. The problem is we might be looking at a black hole here. Schouldn't we better be thinking about the root of the problem instead?
I mean we are trying to chase a runaway train here trying to understand the whole complexity. This is what I call the arrogance. Why not stick to the things we do understand and take it from there?
Re. the numbers and ZH: I stopped trying to understand the intentions of those people. The numbers are irrelevant anyway.
Well, the root of the problem is, unfortunately, political and social. Humans can't deal with issues of that sort well at our current level of development. As a result, we have to deal with the system as a given and try to make sure it's as sound as can be. That's the whole point of a lot of work that's being done at the moment.
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pythontrader
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04-27-12 01:17 PM
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Well, the root of the problem is, unfortunately, political and social. Humans can't deal with issues of that sort well at our current level of development. As a result, we have to deal with the system as a given and try to make sure it's as sound as can be. That's the whole point of a lot of work that's being done at the moment.
Well in that case this seems to be a one way ticket. This is like trying to repair the sound of your TV set when your hearing is the real problem. Wouldn't you agree?
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Martinghoul
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04-27-12 01:33 PM
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Well in that case this seems to be a one way ticket. This is like trying to repair the sound of your TV set when your hearing is the real problem. Wouldn't you agree?
Well, I dunno, mate... What do you propose as an alternative? Should we all give up and go home? Yes, it all might be futile and doomed, but, guess what, maybe the world ends on 21 Dec this year? Or maybe Skynet goes operational in 5 years? Or maybe this is all the Matrix? No point in living, really, if you look at it like that...
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