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Crispy
 

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04-24-12 02:29 PM


Quote from syswizard:

That's called a "local" or "workstation" stop. Other stops are "server-side" (broker) or Exchange stop. As you are aware, BUY stops are always above the market, otherwise they convert to a market order...and vice-versa for SELL stops. So it's important that the software detects this condition and warns you before placing the stop order. Many platforms don't do this...which is an oversight IMHO.
I got "burnt" so many times by making that mistake.
The good news about "local" stops: no fees or delays for Cancelling and Replacing that order (CAR).
Bad news: not as fast or as efficient as server-side or exchange stop orders.



Great, I learned something new today! I never heard local/workstation stop terminology.

Yes, server side stops are simply no good for certain products. ES options def one of those...

Im not excel savvy outside of using third party add-ins and some light calculations that drive my model. So, how difficult is it to build the program that creates the local/workstation? And would you know what it should cost me(ballpark) to have someone to write it?

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syswizard
 

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04-24-12 03:16 PM

I take it you are talking Interactive Broker's platform then ?

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Crispy
 

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04-24-12 03:23 PM


Quote from syswizard:

I take it you are talking Interactive Broker's platform then ?



Open e cry.

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syswizard
 

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04-24-12 10:20 PM

I've got the OEC Excel docs....you are aware they do support STOP orders ?:
Here's an example of a stop limit:

=TEST1|send!’Buy_10_ESU7_StopLimit_1550_1600’_

This likely goes to the OEC Servers.
The other technique is to track the price locally and place a market order when your stop price is hit.

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Crispy
 

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04-25-12 03:17 PM


Quote from syswizard:

I've got the OEC Excel docs....you are aware they do support STOP orders ?:
Here's an example of a stop limit:

=TEST1|send!’Buy_10_ESU7_StopLimit_1550_1600’_

This likely goes to the OEC Servers.
The other technique is to track the price locally and place a market order when your stop price is hit.

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No, I was not aware. Nevertheless if you know how these trade, I would be 15 sell stop on some calls...she goes 15x15.5...then next actual print is 14 on a downswing. Stops are pretty much useless based on last sale.

Do you think the same excel link to OEC be used to track the price locally and shoot an order when my stop price becomes the bid?

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syswizard
 

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04-25-12 03:56 PM


Quote from Crispy:

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No, I was not aware. Nevertheless if you know how these trade, I would be 15 sell stop on some calls...she goes 15x15.5...then next actual print is 14 on a downswing. Stops are pretty much useless based on last sale.

Do you think the same excel link to OEC be used to track the price locally and shoot an order when my stop price becomes the bid?



Definitely doable. However, you are aware that locally, there is no stoplimit. If last print is 15.50 and you are sell stop 15, if it goes quickly to 13, that's your fill price.
Expect a lot of "slippage" like this. Whereas with Server or Exchange stops, you might be filled earlier like at 14 all depending on your position in the queue at that price level.
Got it ?

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