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GTS
Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 2188 |
02-28-12 12:13 AM
Atticus, any sane person reading this thread and seeing what I actually wrote (not the strawmen you have constructed and dispatched) can clearly see that I have made my case. Its also quite clear that you have a stubborn streak a mile wide.
So to summarize my position since you have continually mischaracterized my point, here is what happened:
Bo wrote: "everybody in the world wants and needs an iPhone. "
Obviously a false statement but even granting Bo some artistic license it still falls flat on its face. So I posted a statement to clue Bo in since he clearly has no idea about the actual smartphone market.
GTS: "Not sure if you realize it but Android phones have outsold iPhones for a while now"
And then presented two charts that show (1) for the last 6 quarters Android sales have outpaced iPhone sales, quite significantly except for the last quarter of 11 and (2) that on a total US subscriber basis there are many more Android owners than iPhone owners, this was so any attempts to squash claims that Androids recent sales do not take into account iPhone's earlier entry into the market.
Any non-rabid person can see that these two graphs clearly show that Android has greater market share than iPhone and has outsold it. Its an undeniable fact and therefore my statement to Bo is true.
At this point you entered the fray and have gone off on every tangent imaginable: questioning why you would compare all Android Phones vs iPhones, questioning the data in the tables because you confused total subscribers vs. new subscribers, questioning the data because they have different endpoints, talking about how Apple is late to the 4G party so that is the reason for their under performance, how Apple decided to sign an exclusive agreement with AT&T so that is the reason and even sinking to play semantic games about the definition of 'domination'... none of which refutes the clear statement I made to Bo which got your panties all twisted up.
Feel free to post any facts to prove what I have said is not true. Hint: You saying so != Fact.
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bwolinsky
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 4547 |
02-28-12 12:57 AM
Love the compatibility with PC's. Best OS for handheld devices, combined with the ease of use of standard pc.
I haven't synched my iPhone in awhile, but the apps I have for it and the quality of the camera and easily transferred dcim folder are perfect for an all-around, high quality experience.
I don't use apple os because it isn't compatible with many of the platforms I use to trade, but even if it wasn't because it has apps this is less of an issue since I don't really like the apple mac as much as I do the iPhone.
iPod was not a flash-in-the-pan event, because the entire infrastructure of the products is based on iTunes, really, and as long as you can always get your music and play at high-volume I can't say enough good things about Apple's iPhone.
I own Apple stock, and I own an iPhone4.
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trefoil
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 3383 |
02-28-12 02:03 AM
Quote from GTS:
Atticus, any sane person ... [lots of stuff] ...
Feel free to post any facts to prove what I have said is not true. Hint: You saying so != Fact.
What he's saying is simple: given the huge technological advantage in hardware the Android OS has, it should be destroying Apple. But it isn't.
What I posted earlier about the ease of use for iOS is the reason. atticus posted the same, as did another poster (who's name I forget; sorry). The first prerequisite for a phone is .... that it should function as a phone. The rest is secondary. Android doesn't get that.
No one wants to have to be rebooting every couple of hours and worrying about the battery discharging all the time. This is basic stuff that should have been covered first, before anything else, by the designers of Android.
But they didn't cover that stuff, so instead of destroying Apple, they're neck and neck.
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newguy05
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 1762 |
02-28-12 02:49 AM
Quote from GTS:
Atticus, any sane person reading this thread and seeing what I actually wrote (not the strawmen you have constructed and dispatched) can clearly see that I have made my case. Its also quite clear that you have a stubborn streak a mile wide.
So to summarize my position since you have continually mischaracterized my point, here is what happened:
Bo wrote: "everybody in the world wants and needs an iPhone. "
Obviously a false statement but even granting Bo some artistic license it still falls flat on its face. So I posted a statement to clue Bo in since he clearly has no idea about the actual smartphone market.
GTS: "Not sure if you realize it but Android phones have outsold iPhones for a while now"
And then presented two charts that show (1) for the last 6 quarters Android sales have outpaced iPhone sales, quite significantly except for the last quarter of 11 and (2) that on a total US subscriber basis there are many more Android owners than iPhone owners, this was so any attempts to squash claims that Androids recent sales do not take into account iPhone's earlier entry into the market.
Any non-rabid person can see that these two graphs clearly show that Android has greater market share than iPhone and has outsold it. Its an undeniable fact and therefore my statement to Bo is true.
At this point you entered the fray and have gone off on every tangent imaginable: questioning why you would compare all Android Phones vs iPhones, questioning the data in the tables because you confused total subscribers vs. new subscribers, questioning the data because they have different endpoints, talking about how Apple is late to the 4G party so that is the reason for their under performance, how Apple decided to sign an exclusive agreement with AT&T so that is the reason and even sinking to play semantic games about the definition of 'domination'... none of which refutes the clear statement I made to Bo which got your panties all twisted up.
Feel free to post any facts to prove what I have said is not true. Hint: You saying so != Fact.
You are cherry picking from your bullshit stats to support the argument android is *dominating*. They are clearly not, and to atticus point, even with significant hardware advantage + 4g. Admit "dominating" is not the correct word and move on.
And trefoil summed it up nicely, i lost track the # of times this piece of shit samsung freezes, my phone button disappears, browser crashing. And they always seem to happen at the worst possible time when you need to make an important call or looking up something on the move. They can keep the dual core + super amoled screen..
And dont even want to look at android marketplace it's so shitty on top of all the bloatware samsung/verizon force on your phone. Cant wait until the new iphone comes so i can get the hell out of my contract.
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Traveler
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 774 |
02-28-12 03:16 AM
There was an accounting change that affects Apple's earnings. They are allowed to book future revenue from sale of apps or hardware upgrades immediately upon sale of an iPhone rather than booking it as each piece of the revenue comes in. This has the effect of overstating their current earnings.
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