Sameeh55, this is a legitimate question, so dont take this the wrong way, but i was just wondering, what countries in the middle east you think have a reasonable chance of being converted into some kind of society that would in anyway mimic a society in the rest of the world, whereby women and men have somewhat equal right, and the laws are not archaic?
Honestly speaking? It is the country the US is working hard to destroy by applying the El Salvador stratagy on it. It is country that is being infiltrated by Qaeda members trained at the hands of Black Water and MI5 in Jordan and Turkey.
I do not care about the rest of the world, I care about us! I care about women and minorities rights. These are not world values, these are HUMAN values!
Do you think that any these countries where there are uprisings will end up with some sort of equality, or civilised society? I am curious, because i dont know enough about it, and all i get is our opinion ifrom people in America.
None will! Honestly! Each one of these countries' revolutions started at the hand of youth who fought and died for decent human rights and equality only to see their revolutions hijacked by Radical Muslims BACKED by the US and NATO.
Did you know that, in Libya, the total death toll is 70,000? Did you know that the one who was helped by NATO to liberate Tripoli was a Qaeda Member who was rendition(ed) to Qhadafi?
They US does not want us to progress for it will translate to us liberating our resources, the US want the same people they trained In Afghanistan to run the show in the Middle East.
Every time we think that we will beat these cave men, the US jumps in in some sort of covert operation and bail them out. MaCain almost blowing a Brotherhood Muslim Prime Minister is no surprise.
Sameeh55, this is a legitimate question, so dont take this the wrong way, but i was just wondering, what countries in the middle east you think have a reasonable chance of being converted into some kind of society that would in anyway mimic a society in the rest of the world, whereby women and men have somewhat equal right, and the laws are not archaic?
Honestly speaking? It is the country the US is working hard to destroy by applying the El Salvador stratagy on it. It is country that is being infiltrated by Qaeda members trained at the hands of Black Water and MI5 in Jordan and Turkey.
I do not care about the rest of the world, I care about us! I care about women and minorities rights. These are not world values, these are HUMAN values!
Do you think that any these countries where there are uprisings will end up with some sort of equality, or civilised society? I am curious, because i dont know enough about it, and all i get is our opinion ifrom people in America.
None will! Honestly! Each one of these countries' revolutions started at the hand of youth who fought and died for decent human rights and equality only to see their revolutions hijacked by Radical Muslims BACKED by the US and NATO.
Did you know that, in Libya, the total death toll is 70,000? Did you know that the one who was helped by NATO to liberate Tripoli was a Qaeda Member who was rendition(ed) to Qhadafi?
They US does not want us to progress for it will translate to us liberating our resources, the US want the same people they trained In Afghanistan to run the show in the Middle East.
Every time we think that we will beat these cave men, the US jumps in in some sort of covert operation and bail them out. MaCain almost blowing a Brotherhood Muslim Prime Minister is no surprise.
Based on this you'll probably appreciate Chomsky's latest article (in two parts).
I actually agree that the people we gave power to in libya were extremists, Al Quaeda and the muslim brotherhood..... and it makes no sense to me, we handed the country over to people who want to kill us....
Why is it that we never heard anything from these moderate groups you talk about who were also fighting to take control in Libya?
Why dont we see these moderate groups taking control in Egypt where the U.S. had no military presence? How did the muslim brotherhood gain control in egypt?
How does it serve U.S. interests to have radical groups who want to kill us in control of all these countries? Whats the endgame, whats the motive?
Again i am asking because i want to understand your point of view...
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None will! Honestly! Each one of these countries' revolutions started at the hand of youth who fought and died for decent human rights and equality only to see their revolutions hijacked by Radical Muslims BACKED by the US and NATO.
Did you know that, in Libya, the total death toll is 70,000? Did you know that the one who was helped by NATO to liberate Tripoli was a Qaeda Member who was rendition(ed) to Qhadafi?
They US does not want us to progress for it will translate to us liberating our resources, the US want the same people they trained In Afghanistan to run the show in the Middle East.
Every time we think that we will beat these cave men, the US jumps in in some sort of covert operation and bail them out. MaCain almost blowing a Brotherhood Muslim Prime Minister is no surprise.
MaCain almost blowing a Brotherhood Muslim Prime Minister is no surprise.
Saw that in the news. Leaves me wondering if he was conned.
And this is the guy who the republicans nominated in 2008. I voted for him just because I am a republican and Obama didn't seem to have any qualifications to be president.
I agree about Libya. Young people started a revolution and it seemed to be taken from them by US backed Islamists.
When I saw those protests in Iran last year it seemed to be the younger part of the population wanting a more free society than they are getting from the theocracy. We didn't support them either.
I actually agree that the people we gave power to in libya were extremists, Al Quaeda and the muslim brotherhood..... and it makes no sense to me, we handed the country over to people who want to kill us....
Do not worry...They will only kill you when you instruct them to kill you. They will also kill us, again, when your government instruct them to kill us.
What a coincidence! Al Zawahery declares holly Jihad against Syria Simultaneously when Clinton declars they will arm the Syrian death squads.
Why is it that we never heard anything from these moderate groups you talk about who were also fighting to take control in Libya?
Most of the youth are either Pan Arabists or leftists with different flavours. These people are independent thinkers who see the US as a threat to their advancement.
On the other hand, the last year or so showed us in more than one example that the Brotherhood Muslims have been in cahoots with shadowy figures of the American administration. In Egypt, Even the Salafi Al Nour Party was exposed of getting direct funding (in the hundreds of millions of dollars) from Qatar. Qatar does not pee without the US's green light. We are now finding out that Robert Ford, US ambassador to Syria, was coordinating, step by step, with Militant Muslims who infiltrated from Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon (through Saad Al Harrir, a multi billionaire who is part of the project) with Israeli weapons, thermal bullets and anti armored phosphor tipped rockets that melted Syrian tanks in seconds (Again, Israeli technology).
On the other hand, the United State, the defender of freedom and democracy, turned the other way when the peaceful Bahraini protesters (unlike the death squads in Syria and Libya) were mowed down and massacred at the hand of foreign Jordanian, Saudi and Qatari forces. There are two reason behind that:
1- Unlike the rest of the Arab world, the Bahrani protesters are mainly Shia and the US does not control them like they control the heads of the Sunni relegious institutions.
2- It helps to further inflame sectarian sentiment between Shia and Sunni Muslims by having them kill each other and having Sunni and Shia the world over taking one side or another. And
3- The biggest US naval base in the Middle East is there.
Why dont we see these moderate groups taking control in Egypt where the U.S. had no military presence? How did the muslim brotherhood gain control in egypt?
How does it serve U.S. interests to have radical groups who want to kill us in control of all these countries? Whats the endgame, whats the motive?
Easy! After the American involvement in Iraqi and Afghani, the United States figured it is more profitable to have Muslim Sheiks Like Qaradawi And Ar'our, who happened to be on its payroll, inflame radical Muslims to start "Sectarian" and holy wars in areas that it wants to control. It is a proxy war using the same cavemen the US utilized in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Azerbaijan and later on, Libya. The end result is a guaranteed dependency on the US by heavily debated dark forces who will guarantee constant depletion of resources.
In Libya for example, the NATO installed Qaeda like regime signed a deal to hand over 30% of the Libyan oil production to the NATO countries involved in destroying their country.
The other reason Is America's fear that these revolutions that swept through Middle East will not go out of control and produce someone Like Jamal Abdul Naser.
