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Crispy

Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 742

02-15-12 04:50 PM

Quote from traderslair:

I hope they all starve over there.

This speaks volumes about you as a human being. Well...less than human in your case.

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zdreg

Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 8343

02-15-12 04:56 PM

Greece stole hundreds of millions annually, in agricultural subsidies, by lying about their agricultural production. why did the germans etc. tolerate this situation. who in germany benefited?

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morganist
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Registered: Sep 2008
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02-15-12 05:06 PM

Quote from zdreg:

Greece stole hundreds of millions annually, in agricultural subsidies, by lying about their agricultural production. why did the germans etc. tolerate this situation. who in germany benefited?

They put up with it because they wanted them to join the EU.

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zdreg

Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 8343

02-15-12 05:17 PM

Quote from morganist:

They put up with it because they wanted them to join the EU.

your answer begs the question.Greece was part of the EU.
why did Germany +northern europe tolerate false agricultural numbers. the result was vast overpayment of subsidies.

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morganist
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02-15-12 05:31 PM

Quote from zdreg:

your answer begs the question.Greece was part of the EU.
why did Germany +northern europe tolerate false agricultural numbers. the result was vast overpayment of subsidies.

I think it was like a bribe to keep them in. Also the administrative side of the Euro was terrible. They set up the statistical body called Eurostat to look into the fiscal and administrative figures of the Eurozone however it did not have any power. They gained the figures from National Statistical Insititutes that were not regulated or sanctioned. In 2008 the ESGAB was set up to regulate these figures but they are still not sanctioned. The only way they have been sanctioned is through the austerity program.

The Eurozone was not regulated or managed properly and the efforts made to do so have only come from the agreement to pay them more money. It is as if they have no real power in Greece and enforcement only comes at the worst time.

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d08

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 1369

02-15-12 05:31 PM

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Umm, I think you are confused about how it works. Greece was on the side of the Allies, who won WW2. The winners of a war gets paid, not the losers.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were retaliation for Pearl Harbor?!?

While not directly, and officially it was to "end the war", this was what pushed them to use nuclear weapons.
As far as I know, much of eastern europe actually sided with the allies.
But the "history is written by the winning side" comment is very much right of course, the tables might just turn though.

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