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Swan Noir
 

Registered: Jun 2009
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01-11-12 09:23 AM

Most of the time when retail clients try to hedge rates on homes they run into two problems: If you want matching maturities you find you get little if any savings and if you try to dynamically hedge by using shorter term instruments you either get eaten up on the rollovers or worse you find yourself not quite hedged and get a bit of a nasty surprise as you try to bring it back in line.

While rates are not as good as in the US my guess is that rates around the world will seem cheap five and ten years down the road. If we (the world) sees deflation the central banks will print and it will at some point flip. If we skip the deflationary part of the cycle then we will likely go straight to inflation as there is tons of liquidity already provided for. The chances of rates going up are high and the chances of them moving up dramatically over years are more than one in ten.

Take all they will give you at a fixed rate or a variable with a cap you can live with. Over time it will probably prove to be a very timely move.

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macroman
 

Registered: Sep 2010
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01-11-12 09:40 AM

there is this bank borrowing in foreign currency issue. Who knows if/how banks hedge exchange rate risk but my gues is they dont fully. Combination of exchange rate and other ccy interest rate movements may push mortgage rates away from bill/bond rates in a big way.

If they borrowed yen heavily implications of interest rate rise in Japan may be magnified in AU. Go for fixed rate. I know it is higher rate but for a good reason.

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Daal
 

Registered: Oct 2002
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01-11-12 11:52 AM

If tax laws force you to pay taxes on the hedge, this could be a big problem

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dptrading
 

Registered: Dec 2011
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01-11-12 12:12 PM

Im not quite sure I understand the foreign currency bank example, how that would impact Australian bank rates, as retail banks are fully hedged most of the time so as not to risk falling out of line with the other lenders.

Taxes are a good point, capital gains tax would mean that rising rates (and therefore short bonds) would lead to an additional charge, but were rates to fall (less likely in Australia, but more likely here than in the US) then there would be a CGT gain to be made. This could be compensated for by adding to a profitable futures position (additional profit to help offset tax) and reducing a losing (rates going down) position to reduce the tax benefit.

Certainly makes it trickier, looks like www.pimmtrading.blogspot.com needs a part 2.

For the record, I would personally take the fixed rate, as the time it saves through not worrying about all this, and what is undoubtedly a low rate with a long term view, makes it preferable in my eyes.

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