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jazzguysoca
 

Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 91

 

12-24-11 08:11 PM


Quote from feng456:

Thanks jazzy. An explanation I understand!



My pleasure, feng - hope its helpful.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

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d08
 

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 1367

 

12-24-11 08:15 PM


Quote from total_keops:

What is this? A CEO talking to a quant about his CDO pricing pre-2008?



Awesome, sir. Just plain awesome

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jazzguysoca
 

Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 91

 

12-24-11 08:19 PM


Quote from 377OHMS:

Excellent post. Really great stuff, I hope folks realize what your post contains. I've been working on serial correlation as well (random sampling, lag etc). Data that is serially correlated and is not randomly sampled will always yield optimistic results compared with results that have been randomly sampled with sufficient space between samples (lag) to achieve reasonable independence.

I ran into this when I was working on some radar tracking data for a client. Closed-loop tracking system errors are not independent or are any outputs from a Kalman filter.

Maybe the best post I've seen on ET, certainly in the Top-10. Thanks.



Thanks for the kind words, ohms - appreciate it!

For those interested in more techniques along these lines, try googling "White's Reality Check" (there's a WRC paper on the reddit group I mentioned as well).

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HurricaneUS
 

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 750

 

12-24-11 10:41 PM


Quote from feng456:

I designed my leverage under the assumption that the worst drawdown in the backtested 4 years (prior to now) was the worst it could get so now since it's much worse, I am getting wiped out.



Well I guess you learned a lesson. The past is not indicative of the future. Chalk it up and move on...

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sle
 

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 1609

 

12-25-11 12:04 AM


Quote from feng456:
How does a system all of a sudden do that?


Let's imagine for a second that I am your manager, e.g. a head of the desk. A good thing to have sometimes, keeps you thinking straight.

In the situation described, I would be less concerned with that fact that a model stopped working and is losing money, but with the fact that the losses are unmanageable (according to you). My conclusion would be that the problem is in risk management, not in the system design.

So, a couple questions:

(a) is it the only strategy you are running? If the answer is yes, it's probably worth developing another few to add diversity to your book. If you insist of running a single strategy, you must decrease your leverage.

(b) how do you think your strategy mix performs ex-condition? For example, let's say your model buys SPY every time the President of the US has a bowel movement and holds it to the close of the day. What would be your mean, median, 95% worst and the worst daily P&L be ex-condition - meaning, if you just bought SPY in the morning? If you have multiple systems trading at the same time, try to build a history of asset allocations in the portfolio and see it's ex-condition P&L.

(c) are you using some sort of a system for strategy allocation? In general, if you have a few years of backtests on multiple systems, you want to build a quantitative allocator that takes into account correlation between strategy performances, recent performances etc. For example, I know guys who like looking at percentile of consecutive losers for each system (vs the back test) and decreasing capital allocation as that percentile increases.

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failed_trad3r
 

Registered: Oct 2009
Posts: 1607

 

12-25-11 03:41 AM

I have the same thing. A system which profits 50% less on the dow compared to the es. very weird. on the other hands, every index is profitable.

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