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njrookie1
 

Registered: Nov 2011
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01-05-12 02:21 AM

thanks for the compliment.

trading to me is online poker. no stress at all. i thoroughly enjoy doing it. i will do it for free.

njrookie

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unco
 

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 27

 

02-02-12 02:20 PM

I've a question for people trading friends and family account via IB (or any other small managed account)

Sorry if I'm a bit away from the raising money subject but I think it's something you need to think about when raising FF money.

Let's assume that you have a strategy trading 1 lot ES future per 200K$ of capital.
If someone gives you 100K$ to manage you will not be able to trade that strategy and respect the risk initially defined for that strategy. That's assuming that you have a trade allocation per account after you trade (and not 1 global account where you accumulate the capital from FF)

How did you / would you cope with that situation?
- ask for a minimum investment of 200K?
- trade others product with less leverage? (SPY) ~ not ideal

any other suggestions?
cheers

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newwurldmn
 

Registered: Apr 2011
Posts: 2622

 

02-02-12 02:30 PM


Quote from unco:

I've a question for people trading friends and family account via IB (or any other small managed account)

Sorry if I'm a bit away from the raising money subject but I think it's something you need to think about when raising FF money.

Let's assume that you have a strategy trading 1 lot ES future per 200K$ of capital.
If someone gives you 100K$ to manage you will not be able to trade that strategy and respect the risk initially defined for that strategy. That's assuming that you have a trade allocation per account after you trade (and not 1 global account where you accumulate the capital from FF)

How did you / would you cope with that situation?
- ask for a minimum investment of 200K?
- trade others product with less leverage? (SPY) ~ not ideal

any other suggestions?
cheers



My guess is that you would need 200k or that individual should be well aware he has much more risk than your other accounts.

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Epic
 

Registered: Apr 2011
Posts: 932

 

02-02-12 04:31 PM


Quote from unco:

I've a question for people trading friends and family account via IB (or any other small managed account)

Sorry if I'm a bit away from the raising money subject but I think it's something you need to think about when raising FF money.

Let's assume that you have a strategy trading 1 lot ES future per 200K$ of capital.
If someone gives you 100K$ to manage you will not be able to trade that strategy and respect the risk initially defined for that strategy. That's assuming that you have a trade allocation per account after you trade (and not 1 global account where you accumulate the capital from FF)

How did you / would you cope with that situation?
- ask for a minimum investment of 200K?
- trade others product with less leverage? (SPY) ~ not ideal

any other suggestions?
cheers



It is referred to as notional trading. They have only deposited $100K but you'll be trading it at a level of $200K. They must be well informed that they will experience 2X the risk of a typical account. You must also be very honest regarding the chances of a margin call, depending on the strategy. While the PnL is simply 2X normal, the chances of margin call for certain strategies increases significantly with increased leverage.

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Superman MMX
 

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 4

 

02-02-12 10:18 PM

Perhaps a simpler approach, if possible, would be to re-write your risk parameters thus bringing down the funds needed to properly trade one ES contract.

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Epic
 

Registered: Apr 2011
Posts: 932

 

02-03-12 07:25 PM


Quote from Superman MMX:

Perhaps a simpler approach, if possible, would be to re-write your risk parameters thus bringing down the funds needed to properly trade one ES contract.



That is no different than leveraging the entire strategy.

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