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falconview
 

Registered: Jun 2010
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04-24-12 04:32 PM

I don´t think there is going to be any market movement today at all. Everybody is waiting on APPL earnings to move the market.

I´m reading a couple of books and checking every hour or so, to see what is what? Be interesting tomorrow.

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Riffraffpatrol
 

Registered: Feb 2011
Posts: 236

 

04-24-12 04:40 PM


Quote from falconview:

Riff Raff

I don´t accept your intrepretation at all. Whether Appl goes up or down tomorrow, only means one thing to me. If it goes up, I will be closing off the straddle as a completed deal. If it goes down, then I will not be interested in any adjustment until the trend finishes and the volatility dies down, so I can lock in the difference by buying PUTS. That scenario would maybe mean a day or two, perhaps longer. At some point that down trend will stop, the volatility will start to die off, from the PUTS and I can then re-establish the straddle, though it most likely will be a STRANGLE then. Once back in either a STRANGLE or a STRADDLE I can buy and sell and adjust the sides. I´m already ahead by 11%. Now I would work it by adjusting to get it up to 20% possibly.
If you can do 20% a month, I think that is a pretty good return? Not there yet, but I´ve done this with overlapping straddles for several months, using them solely as straddles, which returned about 3%. Never lost. The whole point is not to take a loss. The straddle, strangle is perfect for that.
Like a tennis ball, the market bounces up and down. It does so in short term fluctuations. But overall, the average of those bounces follow a trend, either a longer one, up, or perhaps down. This works out to the high/ low of your monthly bar. Which in the QQQ is about 5 strikes. Now we are in a sideways market and maybe heading for a bear market. The bar might be longer. It doesnt really matter, either way. Thats why you trade a strangle or straddle. The strategy stops theta decay pretty much. With that on your side, you can buy and sell either side to balance it off.

Thats my current theory anyway ( laugh). I´ve noticed when trading overlapping straddles, that a strong trend move will occur sometime, mostly unexpectedly. It´s just a matter of waiting. Keep your buys at low volatility, your sells at swollen premium, and it should ( fingers crossed ) work out. ( grin )

Stop bothering me with short term bounces and movements please. It is distracting. I don´t care if I´m winning or losing $200 on an intra day fluctuation. When it gets to be a $400 or $500 fluctuation, THEN I´M INTERESTED, but only to SELL to take a profit.



Falcon... your thinking is flawed. You are NOT up by 11% by any means shape or form. If you were, your account balance would reflect a higher balance right now compared to what it was prior to establishing the position. Currently on your $ 7500 your account is down over 3%.

Don't use smoke and mirrors in justifying your trades. Why in the world would you buy puts AFTER a downtrend finishes and volatility dies down??? Makes no sense.

Remember-- you are new at this. Im not. Your looking to dig yourself a deep hole. Never lost? Famous last words.

Im done here. Good luck.

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falconview
 

Registered: Jun 2010
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04-24-12 05:18 PM

Riff Raff

You make me think alright. I did make 11% on the puts of the value of the trade and the trade is still ongoing. Until it is closed there is no loss. But there we differ. Give me a month and lets see how this works out. I´m tired of debating this. You may be right but until I try it for the second time, I won´t have a more clear idea.

Buying PUTS is to stop theta decay. Then you can also Delta Neutral the trades. Which changes the whole trading scenario.

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Riffraffpatrol
 

Registered: Feb 2011
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04-24-12 05:28 PM


Quote from falconview:

Riff Raff

You make me think alright. I did make 11% on the puts of the value of the trade and the trade is still ongoing. Until it is closed there is no loss. But there we differ. Give me a month and lets see how this works out. I´m tired of debating this. You may be right but until I try it for the second time, I won´t have a more clear idea.

Buying PUTS is to stop theta decay. Then you can also Delta Neutral the trades. Which changes the whole trading scenario.



Ok cool-- time will tell.

Buying puts has no impact on theta decay however...word to the wise. What u have going for u however is the fact that calls and puts only lose about $.01 per day right now this far out. There is always theta negative impact when u r long....albeit how small it is or how much time is left. As an example-- the Junes have $ .02/day.

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trader198
 

Registered: Mar 2010
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04-24-12 06:01 PM

I buy OTM options either call or put, sofar so good, almost a year now. my feeling is the simpler the better.

not the cmore complicated the better.

try aapl 650call or 480put in the earning, you will see simple buy OTM is pretty awesome. you will not lose much, but if you win, you win multiples of risk, at least 2, even 10, 100.



Quote from falconview:

Having failed at credit spread trading, Gap trading and straight buying of options. I´m now trying LONG STRADDLES in options. Got one week in it now, but probably run through the month. Any body got any advice on making money with lONG STRADDLES?

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Riffraffpatrol
 

Registered: Feb 2011
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04-24-12 06:17 PM


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I buy OTM options either call or put, sofar so good, almost a year now. my feeling is the simpler the better.

not the cmore complicated the better.

try aapl 650call or 480put in the earning, you will see simple buy OTM is pretty awesome. you will not lose much, but if you win, you win multiples of risk, at least 2, even 10, 100.



What month are you referring to?

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