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jokepie
 

Registered: Oct 2010
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05-17-11 02:40 PM


Quote from oilfxpro:

Trading is a zero sum game and day trading is a negative sum game.The only people making money out of it is brokers.



So they would say .... to keep u out.

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oilfxpro
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 1600

 

05-17-11 02:45 PM


Quote from jokepie:

So they would say .... to keep u out.



I ged it , brokers want to keep out the 95% club , out.

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jokepie
 

Registered: Oct 2010
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05-17-11 03:14 PM


Quote from oilfxpro:

I ged it , brokers want to keep out the 95% club , out.



HOW is it a zero sum game.
Lets say i have appl at 330 today tomorrow it opens at 335 ...how is that zero sum for all the owners of the stock ???

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intradaybill
 

Registered: Feb 2008
Posts: 2962

 

05-17-11 03:15 PM

Some facts I have realized in my 20 years of trading:

(1) Day trading is competing directly with market makers. Guess who is going to lose at the end? That does not mean that some people will not make it but the probability of not being you is very high.

(2) It takes 5 years to get a MSc in Electrical Engineering, for example, and it costs about 100K in tuition and expenses, for going to a State University. The cost for going to a University like MIT is possibly 200K or more. Yet, some people think they can learn the science of trading with no money down, just by looking at a screen. Can you learn how to build an airplane by just looking at it? Ask this question to yourself.

(3) Increase your timeframe a bit and forget about chasing pips or ticks. The money is made in position trading.

(4) Education and tools are necessary. Trading is a very expensive investment. If you do not have at least 5K to invest in tools and 5K more in education do not even start.

(5) if you have no money to invest but you still want to learn how to make money trading, ask a master to help you for a couple of years by accepting to work free for him or her. This is how people were learning the secrets of martial arts in Japan for years. Call the office of Mr. Soros and ask them to work there for free for a year, make coffee, running to the deli, cleaning the offices of traders, calling cars for them, arranging their meetings for exchange of letting you watch what they do 1 -2 hours a day.

...or lose all you money to those that do whatever it takes.

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intradaybill
 

Registered: Feb 2008
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05-17-11 03:17 PM


Quote from jokepie:

HOW is it a zero sum game.
Lets say i have appl at 330 today tomorrow it opens at 335 ...how is that zero sum for all the owners of the stock ???



It is when you close the position. If you make a profit, it has to come out from someone else's account. Bernanke will not print money for you. Only for big banks. For you is zero-sum.

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ElectricSavant
 

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 14844

 

05-17-11 03:28 PM

You want negative...ok here it is...

Even the popular gamblers can lose...DayTrading Forex is more of a slow-bleed long death. Liver cancer....painful stomach cancer...you know like that...

If you are to make it in Forex you gotta be senile and forgetful. If you remember the pain that you have endured then nothing in your trading career can equal it out when you become successful.

Life is pain.

In Forex nothing works for a long time if you have an edge. You always must be on the hunt.

Then you have the global players that get very greedy and without regulation they just close their dealership and disappear when they get enough money from their clients. Heck they were just a post box in the islands somewhere anyways...

Here in the USA the regulated brokers are thieves too...when they can get away with it...they are just as bad as the global players, instead they steal under the guise of regulation.

Yep...It's all a con job and even in today's depression the playing field has not dried up.

By the way... I am a loser, but just now I am profitable and trying to take what I can as fast as I can. But again, nothing will ever, ever repay me for the pain. so if you wanna' be a DayTrader...just forget it newbie....and for the others...well Good Trading to you and may your life be fruitful after your trading session is over.

ElectricDon'tGiveItAllBackSavant




Quote from oilfxpro:

There are so many threads negative about day trading , it was time to ask why is there no successful day trader in the popularity of George Sorros , Jim Symons etc.

Trading is a zero sum game and day trading is a negative sum game.The only people making money out of it is brokers.

If it was profitable to day trade , brokers would hire people to trade with broker's capital.

A few internet marketeers are selling motoring , under the guise of successful day trading , but these are just scams.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...threadid=220707

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...threadid=220676

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...threadid=218977

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...threadid=220513

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...threadid=218160

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