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Fireplace
 

Registered: Feb 2010
Posts: 2327

 

05-17-11 02:01 PM

Bro, I've been doing this since 1998, thanks for the offer but you wouldn't be able to pay me enough!

PS It's a wonder why you are still here....haven't you moved on?


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FIREPLACE
you are more than welcome to be a day laborer for my construction company when you decide "daytrading was'nt for you".

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oilfxpro
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 1600

 

05-17-11 02:04 PM


Quote from cornixforex:

Natural defensive activity of the human mind... To avoid the pain of admitting true cause of their failure people start to seek for outside reasons.



The facts are ay trader does 30 trades a day , in a zero sum game , and pays 2 pip spread 30 times a day.60 pips a day in spreads is lost.

Swing trader trades 3 times a day and pays 6 pips spread.

Net loss is 54 pips for day trader.The answer is here.

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oilfxpro
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 1600

 

05-17-11 02:06 PM


Quote from emg:

Now that my work is done on passing along negative about trading due to 99% of ET members are extreme successful traders and own luxury tangible goods, i will begin posting positive.



You owe me my fees first.

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cornix
 

Registered: Jan 2011
Posts: 2797

 

05-17-11 02:10 PM


Quote from oilfxpro:

The facts are ay trader does 30 trades a day , in a zero sum game , and pays 2 pip spread 30 times a day.60 pips a day in spreads is lost.

Swing trader trades 3 times a day and pays 6 pips spread.

Net loss is 54 pips for day trader.The answer is here.



1. 2 pips spread is ridiculous. Boot your broker and choose another one.

2. It is not a loss, it is an expense... Yes, it is significantly higher, but so is the profit. Many scalpers, including HFT algos pay absolutely huge amount in commissions, but nevertheless end up well in the green.

In this business, it is not critical how much you lose or pay to your broker. How much you make or lose after you subtract your expenses and losses from your wining trades profit, that is critical.

This relates to both trading losses and expenses, such as spread, commissions etc.

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cornix
 

Registered: Jan 2011
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05-17-11 02:14 PM

BTW, trading 3 times a day is considered day trading by most people, not swing trading.

While trading 30 times a day is rather scalping.

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TradePilotPro1
 

Registered: Oct 2008
Posts: 380

 

05-17-11 02:19 PM

It is so funny how all the traders here are so shocked that trading is hard !

They read one book or take a week of traning and wonder why
they are not making over 100K a year ?

You could not even know how to landscape in the time they put into it however they expect to make 3 times what they have earned before with 10% of the time invested.


The Market just is, it will move whatever what it wants, if you are on the right side then you will make money and GUESS WHAT
it does not care if you are in or out !

The problem is YOU not the market.

The ones that keep crying booo hoo Mr. Market is mean
you have to stop being such a Jackwagon and suck it up and learn how to trade.

Happy Trading,


Joe

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