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atticus
 

Registered: Mar 2007
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01-19-11 04:30 PM

Why a collar instead of the bull vertical?

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OddTrader
 

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01-19-11 05:28 PM


Quote from atticus:

Why a collar instead of the bull vertical?



Of course you can use verticals if you prefer to.

Anyway here is a short answer.

My guess is most vacationers alike would simply want to know whether the direction of the underlying is right or wrong by how many points for the trade.

This type of investors would think the bought/sold options associated with the underlying are basically peripherals (to the underlying).

Constantly checking the prices of associated options (or even learning complicate options or various verticals strategies) would be too much for them sometimes.

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atticus
 

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01-19-11 11:44 PM


Quote from OddTrader:

Of course you can use verticals if you prefer to.

Anyway here is a short answer.

My guess is most vacationers alike would simply want to know whether the direction of the underlying is right or wrong by how many points for the trade.

This type of investors would think the bought/sold options associated with the underlying are basically peripherals (to the underlying).

Constantly checking the prices of associated options (or even learning complicate options or various verticals strategies) would be too much for them sometimes.



The collar adds complexity, as you're trading a three way over a two way. Edge loss and additional commissions are not comforting for anyone.

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OddTrader
 

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01-20-11 01:53 AM


sonsQuote from atticus:

The collar adds complexity, as you're trading a three way over a two way. Edge loss and additional commissions are not comforting for anyone.



When trading every short timeframe, obviously a 2 legs strategy is the better choice than a 3 legs.

However, there are sevearl other reasons using 3 legs. One of them is liquidity and spread/cost for when the long options becoming deep ITM during the holidaying week for vacationers.

You are welcome to start a new thread to discuss the topic of synthetics (2 legs) vs outright (one leg), or collars (3 legs) vs verticals (2 legs). This same old topic has been discussed in length many times on ET before.

Such as: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...40&pagenumber=3

Quote from atticus:

I assume it would be traded the same as a long put vertical, no?

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OddTrader
 

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01-24-11 01:39 PM


Quote from OddTrader:

Week 17Jan2011 Long 1286.50



Week 24Jan2011 Short 1280.21
Sold ATM Put at 19.22

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RichardRimes
 

Registered: Oct 2005
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01-24-11 02:30 PM


Quote from OddTrader:

Week 24Jan2011 Short 1280.21
Sold ATM Put at 19.22



are you still short the call and long the cash? If I'm following right your position right now is

-1 1285 call (Feb)@21.47
-1 1280 put (Feb) @19.22
+1 Mar ES cash bto 1286.25

is this correct or did you close the cash?

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