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OptionOriented
 

Registered: Oct 2009
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11-04-09 05:36 PM

SPX (June 2011)
500-600 Call Spread (short, collect prem)
1,500- 1,400 Put Spread (short, collect prem)

Bid 185.70
Mid 195.65
Ask 205.60

Assuming both legs end up ITM. At the Mid, represents interest of 3.53% for the 227 days to expiry. Way too high, a box spread would be much better. (Recently entered a Dec-11 box at <1.4% APR - beats paying margin interest!)

Odd thing about the DITM IC is my broker only requires 10k as collateral! Theoretically, one could pocket the ~9.5k (margin) and invest (~19k) in some stock - MLPs?! Take in dividends (5-7.5%) and actually end up with more than the 20k to cover the SPX position.

One could go further OTM on one leg, or both legs to get more $$. Depending upon whether one felt comfortable making a directional bet. (i.e. very DITM call side, and OTM slightly on the put side, still could collect 25-40% excess premium waging the market goes up from here.)

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OptionOriented
 

Registered: Oct 2009
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11-04-09 06:03 PM

Suppose the question is whether other brokers handle this trade similarly? I would think the broker would charge 20k in maintenance margin, not 10k. I know that OptionHouse charges the full 20k.

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spindr0
 

Registered: Nov 2005
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11-04-09 11:06 PM

What will happen to all of your numbers if you can't tranasct anywhere near the midpoing upon exit?

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OptionOriented
 

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11-05-09 12:01 AM


Quote from spindr0:

What will happen to all of your numbers if you can't tranasct anywhere near the midpoing upon exit?

One wouldn't likely trade this setup, but rather hold to expiration. Like the box spread it's a financing / interest rate play.

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ptrjon
 

Registered: Dec 2008
Posts: 47

 

11-05-09 03:15 AM

You'd be sacrificing liquidity, increasing leverage, for a relatively small gain. I don't like IC's in general, just because I prefer not to be on both sides of the market- I'd rather just do an ITM covered call in this situation.

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MTE
 

Registered: Jan 2005
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11-05-09 07:41 AM

This trade is nothing like the box spread. Box spread is an arb play. This trade is not an arb and, precisely because of the box spread relationship, it is nothing more than an OTM iron condor with long body and short wings (i.e. you want the index to move to the wings).

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