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ChadZ1
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 22

 

08-19-09 10:53 AM

So I didn't know where to put this, but figured those of you trading for a living might have shared this concern.

This is probably paranoid, but imagine you come up with a very successful trading strategy and have consistently had GREAT returns for a number of years. Is there any reason to be concerned about your broker noticing your great returns and trying to copy your trading strategy and thus ruining it? Or, perhaps, if they can't figure the strategy out, and if they're one of the electronic brokers, they might just tell their system to make the same trades every time you place them except have their system put in their trades first.

Is there cause for concern? I realize one might say there's nothing to be worried about because you'll never come up with a strategy so good that others would notice you above everyone else and want to copy, but hypothetically what if you did? Are there ways to protect your strategy?

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TraDaToR
 

Registered: Dec 2006
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08-19-09 10:56 AM

Don't worry if you aren't making at least 7 figures. They don't need to trade to make money.

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ChadZ1
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 22

 

08-19-09 11:05 AM


Quote from TraDaToR:

Don't worry if you aren't making at least 7 figures. They don't need to trade to make money.



Thanks for the response. Do you think an employee of the company might be interested and able to do something though?

If I had free-reign on a brokers computer system, I know I'd look up the traders with the greatest returns and find the ones who have done it consistently and then follow and copy their trades. I imagine there are protocols in place to stop that, but still I wonder...

Also, any thoughts if you actually were making seven figures?

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MTE
 

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 3344

 

08-19-09 11:32 AM


Quote from ChadZ1:

...Are there ways to protect your strategy?



Use multiple brokers.

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NetTecture
 

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1010

 

08-19-09 11:50 AM

Well, lets get technical.

ANYONE with an access to not only your account information but also your order flow can possibly start deducting your strategies.

Order flow because not all orders are executed. It is a lot harder to distinguish between profit targets and protective stops if one only sees buy and sell. Seeing the orders (and their movement) can help.

That being said, a couple of technical things make it harder:
* Not all strategies are trivial. It is quite hard sometimes to get exact information. How long is your MA exactly? ;)
* One major point may be distinguishing strategies as long as they trade similar size / signals. If you ahve 4 differnt setups, always buy / sell the same X at the market, I need to differentiate between the 4 setups before I can start reverse engineering them.

All that being said, I would say.... dont get overprotective. Unless you make a LOT of money and the strategy scales WELL.... it simply is of no interest for the BROKER.

For an employee... well... lets say: you know that people say.... getting a strategy is the easy part, trading it the hard one ;)

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ChadZ1
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 22

 

08-19-09 11:56 AM


Quote from MTE:

Use multiple brokers.



Yeah, good idea. Occurred to me too, just seems like quite a hassle, especially with all the $ probably needing to be transferred back and forth between the brokers. Also, that works best w/ a complicated, multi-legged strategy. If someone just had amazing picks like Warren Buffet (I realize no one is going to be trading nearly as many shares as him) that wouldn't work unless you're talking about changing and cycling brokers ie changing the broker you use after making above an set return.

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