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DmanX
 

Registered: Dec 2008
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01-13-09 02:26 PM

I wonder how they would calculate the value of a futures or other derivatives trade since one is not buying or selling anything with intrinsic value?

They are better off just imposing a fee like the exchanges already do instead of a percentage tax.

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KrispyKreme50
 

Registered: Jan 2008
Posts: 312

 

01-13-09 02:29 PM

It's interesting how most of the comments on that article's page show a profound ignorance of how the markets work. It seems like most of them are supporting it because it "sounds good."

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Wayne Gibbous
 

Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 2739

 

01-13-09 02:35 PM


Quote from DmanX:

I wonder how they would calculate the value of a futures or other derivatives trade since one is not buying or selling anything with intrinsic value?

They are better off just imposing a fee like the exchanges already do instead of a percentage tax.

I was thinking about that too.

It would suck but I could handle a 0.50 per trade tax or something like that. But a percentage based tax would kill all the profit for day and swing traders. Without a doubt.

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trillenium
 

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 195

 

01-13-09 02:36 PM

I think they will excempt the big banks from paying it - that way they finally have a new business model that works.

0.25 % is way too high but if many industrialized countries agree on it then it will be applied everywhere. And the public will applaude.

I guess the spreads will widen but Banks will win and Governments will have another big revenue source.

For me it would be the end unless i qualify also for an "excempt status" . But i guess thats evolution and you have to find another niche.

I bet this Tobin tax will come soon ... good luck to all of you then.

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Diamond Geezer
 

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293

 

01-13-09 02:37 PM

jd7419 is right. In the UK they have this but let's be clear, you don't get exempt by being "a trader in securities" defined as trading a lot. You have to be a regulated entity. Very big barriers to entry.

Ever noticed that there are hardly any independent full time traders over there and those that do exist are trading European futures, currencies or US stocks through a US broker.

Notice how "spread betting" is big for the retail chump in the UK? They were invented to get around this tax and get the little guy in the game. These "CFDs" are really perpetual single stock futures that give the little guy leverage but with bid-ask spreads the size of the grand canyon. They are gambling products.

It all depends on how they do this. My guess is they'll follow the UK example which will put the independent traders out of business but not the regulated institutions and that will include the newly regulated hedge fund industry. It's pretty depressing.

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wave
 

Registered: Mar 2005
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01-13-09 02:39 PM

You can forget about the US of A being a market-based economy if this happens. We've obliterated every other form of advantage we had, why not the last standing Wall Street? sheesh, where's my passport...

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