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vicirek
 

Registered: Dec 2011
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07-08-12 11:14 PM


Quote from schulzey:

I'm sure the answer is somewhere in this 1700 page thread, but forgive me for just asking it direct. Is the FTT suppose to be on stocks and futures or just stocks?

Futures technically don't have a value (or at least it's a different sort of value) and stocks you actually own, so I would think that the rules would be different. If the FTT was based on full contract value then few people could even trade ES without an extremely large time horizon.



Technically the proposal is for all FT reason being to close all means to escape FTT. However, there will be 1700 pages long tax law on FTT and we will have to check for loopholes and exemptions. Since the tax is sponsored by big money center banks (contrary to popular opinion and media fog) then the correct question is who will pay FTT not what will be taxed. I only know that I will pay (do not own bank).

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Ol' Yella
 

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07-09-12 05:24 AM

Do they not realize that the profits from the FTT would not even be in the same ballpark as their estimations? Not even close. Much trading activity will simply cease, and the bank trading activity will be exempt and will thus generate zero revenue.

The joke's on them, eh?

On the other hand, a FTT would be a true blessing for the poor unfortunate 99% of futures traders that lose money! FTT would be doing them a BIG favor!

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sheda
 

Registered: Apr 2011
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07-09-12 07:26 PM




On the other hand, a FTT would be a true blessing for the poor unfortunate 99% of futures traders that lose money! FTT would be doing them a BIG favor! [/B]




Great ! Not only am I assumed a fraud by any one I quote my hit rate to due to the losing rate, I now have to go out of business to help the f@@kers

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tomdavis
 

Registered: Apr 2009
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07-09-12 08:21 PM


Quote from Ol' Yella:

Do they not realize that the profits from the FTT would not even be in the same ballpark as their estimations? Not even close. Much trading activity will simply cease, and the bank trading activity will be exempt and will thus generate zero revenue.

The joke's on them, eh?

On the other hand, a FTT would be a true blessing for the poor unfortunate 99% of futures traders that lose money! FTT would be doing them a BIG favor!



If you think this is a "joke" or a "blessing" you've come to the wrong place.

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Rantany
 

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 117

 

07-09-12 08:35 PM

Study from a research professor (pdf):

Would a Financial Transaction Tax Affect Financial Market Activity? Insights from Futures Markets - by George H. K. Wang and Jot Yau

http://www.cato.org/publications/po...to+Headlines%29


Conclusion

In this paper, we reviewed the theoretical and empirical studies on the impact of a transaction tax. Specifically, we reviewed the empirical evidence on the imposition of a FTT in futures markets with regard to trading volume, price volatility, pricing efficiency, and estimated revenue. We discussed a methodology for estimating the potential transaction tax revenue that can be raised from U.S. futures markets.

The empirical model proposed by the authors and used in several previous studies accounts for the endogenous relationships among trading volume, bid-ask spread (transaction cost), and volatility. We explained the estimation of the empirical elasticity of trading volume and post-tax adjusted trading volume using Bjursell, Wang, and Yau’s estimates on 11 futures traded in the United States. We showed that current estimates of the elasticity of trading volume with respect to a transaction tax in U.S. futures markets are much higher than those reported in the extant literature and those used by the government in transaction tax revenue estimation.

As such, a transaction tax would reduce trading volume significantly, may not reduce price volatility, and might only raise a modest amount of tax revenue, much smaller than expected. More importantly, results indicate that with such high estimates of trading volume elasticity, it is very likely that futures trading activities would be shifted to untaxed foreign markets should a transaction tax be imposed. We conclude that a transaction tax on futures trading will not only fail to generate the expected tax revenue, it will likely drive business away from U.S. exchanges and toward untaxed foreign markets.

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Banjo
 

Registered: Feb 2002
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07-10-12 12:42 AM

Another half wit chimes in.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-...208999.html?l=1

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