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sheda
 

Registered: Apr 2011
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06-26-12 11:49 AM


German finance minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said yesterday that closer integration in Europe could only go ahead with a ‘yes’ vote from the German people.

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klafle73
 

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06-26-12 01:15 PM


Quote from sheda:




By that he ment a referendum.

So far the whole Euro- and Europe- experiment is a joke in terms of democracy. He knows ( fears ) that.

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zdreg
 

Registered: Oct 2003
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06-26-12 04:34 PM

probably i got this link from this thread but am not sure.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/16855...dote-austerity#


how many of you are capable of showing mathematically in a concise manner that even a tax of 1/10 of 1 percent would wipe out the capital of most traders.?

how many of you have taken it on yourself to reply on their website?

to date - zero

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vicirek
 

Registered: Dec 2011
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06-26-12 08:25 PM

No math or logic applies here because discussion is ideologically driven by the proponents of the tax. But it is still about the money.

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ExchangeBonds
 

Registered: Jan 2012
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06-26-12 08:38 PM


Quote from zdreg:

probably i got this link from this thread but am not sure.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/16855...dote-austerity#


how many of you are capable of showing mathematically in a concise manner that even a tax of 1/10 of 1 percent would wipe out the capital of most traders.?

how many of you have taken it on yourself to reply on their website?

to date - zero



Are you really serious? I hope you're trolling but I'll explain it even though it has already been shown in math already. Btw, we are assuming the total value of the futures contract is what is being taxed. So let's take a .1% on a $60,000 contract, that is $60 a a trade or $120 tax a round turn. Now for a specific example. I trade treasury bonds and those are $100,000 a contract. That's $100 a trade or $200 a round turn. Currently I pay $3.16 a round turn. I now have to make 7 ticks in bonds to just breakeven with that type of tax. IT IS EXTREMELY PROHIBITIVE.

edit - I think i read it wrong and you are saying make a comment on their site, but this example can't hurt anyway

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zdreg
 

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06-26-12 09:02 PM


Quote from ExchangeBonds:

Are you really serious? I hope you're trolling but I'll explain it even though it has already been shown in math already. Btw, we are assuming the total value of the futures contract is what is being taxed. So let's take a .1% on a $60,000 contract, that is $60 a a trade or $120 tax a round turn. Now for a specific example. I trade treasury bonds and those are $100,000 a contract. That's $100 a trade or $200 a round turn. Currently I pay $3.16 a round turn. I now have to make 7 ticks in bonds to just breakeven with that type of tax. IT IS EXTREMELY PROHIBITIVE.

edit - I think i read it wrong and you are saying make a comment on their site, but this example can't hurt anyway



it was a rhetorical question. i,myself, have provided the mathematics to show that an active stock trader would lose his entire capital with a .001 ftt.you,finally,, figured it out and came to the correct conclusion about making a comment on their site.. however, u did not take back the negative trait (trolling)that you attributed to to me.

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