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ESResistance
 

Registered: Sep 2008
Posts: 585

 

09-03-08 05:11 PM

Many traders believe that to be a successful trader you need mountains of indicators that give you some kind of "edge" over the market. I am here to say that trading as a means of consistent income does not have to be painful or difficult. That less is certainly more when it comes to trading. Ive met traders with every indicator under the sun on their charts, with years of training under their belts having spent thousands of $$$'s and STILL not making a consistent income....

Why? Because Indicators are liars! Sure sometimes you might pull of a trade or 2 but in the end you always get spanked....Why? Because not everyone uses a MACD with your settings, not everyone uses a Stochastics or an RSI. I believe to be an effective trader you have to look at what the majority of traders look at...So what do most traders look at? Support and Resistance! Almost every system out there uses Support and Resistance to some extent. Support and Resistance is our number 1 indicator. So why not make Support and Resistance your system?! Mark up some levels on a chart using time frames from 1hr and above (this is what the big boys who move the market watch, so no lower please) and see what happens! Use other info that the majority of traders watch ONLY as confluence, Market Profile levels, Pivots and Fibs.

In the attached file is my daily worksheet, I will start posting this on the forum regularly as long as others find it of value. The levels described in the attachment are considered high probability areas for market "reversal", offering retracements of 0.75 points to in some cases 50+ points. In many instances historically referenced Support and Resistance levels can help traders catch markets tops/ bottoms to the very tick! Why? Because Support and Resistance levels are the most widely used trading tool! Everyone from Hedge funds and banks to the small time trader at home use Support and Resistance levels

It might be difficult to leave the system you are using now so why not use these levels as a guide alongside set ups defined by the system/strategy that you are implementing. All levels described have historical significance and thus considered high probability numbers. The numbers described are in a fairly large range to take account of market volatility. Throughout the trading day these numbers can become areas of Support AND Resistance.

Good trading all.

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exnergy
 

Registered: May 2008
Posts: 17

 

09-03-08 10:46 PM

;) you look at the right direction bro..

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rolextrader
 

Registered: Jun 2008
Posts: 863

 

09-03-08 11:08 PM

There are many threads on ET about this topic and I find nothing new in yours. Good of you to think about those who are hooked on indicators, however.

I'm curious to know how you know what the so-called big boys are looking at. Are you one of them?

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Anekdoten
 

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 2342

 

09-03-08 11:17 PM

The market has been consolidated for quite a while now. During consolidation S and R works better than ever.

When uptrending S holds more so than R.

When downtrending R holds more than S.

It's just a matter of continuously adapting to the big picture looking out for fakes and reacting to changes in the trend.

I agree about indicators, they should be illegal.

Anek

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sandygray66
 

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 764

 

09-03-08 11:22 PM

Those numbers are fine and dandy, but how to trade them is what's important.

Are you going for 3 ticks or 200 ticks on a trade? What size stop are you using? Are you scaling-out, scaling-in, or all-out/all-in.

Trade management is much more important than entry levels.

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ESResistance
 

Registered: Sep 2008
Posts: 585

 

09-03-08 11:25 PM


Quote from rolextrader:

There are many threads on ET about this topic and I find nothing new in yours. Good of you to think about those who are hooked on indicators, however.

I'm curious to know how you know what the so-called big boys are looking at. Are you one of them?



Not really much new you can say about Support and Resistance it is what it is I guess.

What I would like to do in this thread is confront the compulsion newer traders have for the excessive use of indicators.

Indicators are the Devil.

With regards to the "big boys" some of the guys in my trading circle of friends have worked for banks and hedge funds, trading fx mainly. The basis of my thinking is derived from what I have picked up from their experiences.

I day trade the ES, I use S/R levels derived from a 4hr and 1hr (no lower) chart mark up my levels and then watch the market as it approaches those levels. Then watch price action in that area and place my trade based upon how price reacts in that area. I have couple of other things I look at but this is the mainstay of my method.

I guess I wanted this thread to be about my aversion to the over use of indicators and to shed light upon how simple trading can be.

Thank you for your comments

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