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c.chugani
 

Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 318

 

05-12-08 09:38 PM


Quote from 1Reason:

Hello C,

Good question, I generally enter into and exit out of covered trades first through the option leg of it due to liquidity issues.

I try to sell on the ask and buy the bid even with options.

If a trade has gone against me over 2% I start looking to get out or at least look at it and see if I want to get out. I don't have a fast and hard rule on stop losses.

Of course in a fast moving market it can get costly to try to get out of both a stock and the options.



Actually I am sure people must be selling options and using the premiums collected to determine their stop loss.

For example, you buy 100 x MIR @ 40 and sell a call strike 45 @ 0.60.

You can then place a stop on the stock at 39.4 and if the move goes against your position, the worst scenario is that you end up break even (100 x MIR @ 40 - 100 x MIR @ 39.4 = 0.60 x 100 premium collected from the call).

Obviously, you would have to analyse the volatility of said stock, as a 0.6 stop might be too tight and could leave you stopped out - the result being you end up with a naked call.

Is this reasoning correct? Is it a viable covered call strategy? What other potential drawbacks does it have that I have not factored in?

We should ask the gurus over at the option forum..

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Robert Weinstein
 

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3849

 

05-13-08 06:14 PM

Short 4 GTI @ 3.86 swing trade

S:Brenton

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Robert Weinstein
 

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3849

 

05-13-08 08:32 PM

Short 359 shares MMR @ 32.03

I really dont like when i get lifted with odd lots. oh well

S:C7

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Robert Weinstein
 

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3849

 

05-13-08 09:00 PM


Quote from c.chugani:

Actually I am sure people must be selling options and using the premiums collected to determine their stop loss.

For example, you buy 100 x MIR @ 40 and sell a call strike 45 @ 0.60.

You can then place a stop on the stock at 39.4 and if the move goes against your position, the worst scenario is that you end up break even (100 x MIR @ 40 - 100 x MIR @ 39.4 = 0.60 x 100 premium collected from the call).

Obviously, you would have to analyse the volatility of said stock, as a 0.6 stop might be too tight and could leave you stopped out - the result being you end up with a naked call.

Is this reasoning correct? Is it a viable covered call strategy? What other potential drawbacks does it have that I have not factored in?

We should ask the gurus over at the option forum..



While I am aware of the break even point of a covered stock I don't use that price to make the choice for me. I try to let the market tell me what I should do. When I try to fix on a point it has been my experience that I lose focus on what the market is doing and start to spend too much time thinking about my orders.

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Robert Weinstein
 

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3849

 

05-13-08 09:08 PM

Still holding the short swings

BP
CVX
MIR
SYNA - I added to the short today.

I added GTI as a short swing.

Day trades

BYI + 101
VRX + 2374
STZ + 255 (includes some scalping)

I scalped
BWA
FWLT

Still long UAUA covered

+2817 for the day
+ 5810 for the week
+ 13284 for the month
+ 52248 for the year

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Robert Weinstein
 

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3849

 

05-14-08 04:11 PM

MMR is still a short. Not able to short it due to IB not having shares available.

Bought 10 35 May puts @ 2.53 giving me a cost basis of 32.47

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