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ratboy88
 

Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 6163

 

04-14-08 05:07 PM


Quote from NazSpaz:


To me the extra $500 a year and piddly test BS are well worth the tons of security that provides. I pay waaay more each year just for insurance on my car and I feel that is nothing compared to the insurance a registered firm provides.



the $500 does not benefit you at all. it is not insurance. with the LLC's you saved more in commission in a month.... not to mention many required very small deposits. therefore your risk was quite small.

the 7 is not a piddly test. it is a major pain in the ass.

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TM_Direct
 

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 5242

 

04-14-08 05:10 PM


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do you know how many 7 firms have gone belly up? LMAOOOOOOOO the magically 7 will not protect your funds.



Good point...but there is a simple fact that many are missing. The rules came into effect ( and there are several more coming down the pike, trust me) becuase it was no longer just some person plunking down 10k of his onw risk capital and then getting blown out....Traders started using firm money and in some cases other peoples money. the 7 is a jok for a trader anyway...35% of it is options and 15% is muni bonds????

they should make them take the series 55 IMO

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ratboy88
 

Registered: Dec 2003
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04-14-08 05:11 PM


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I'll bet if Don chimes in on this he'll agree that it really only keeps out the riff-raff and the general quality of the traders now is higher since that rule was enacted.




LOL LOL LOL... i mean no disrespect to Don, but if they were not forced to get their traders 7'd, he would celebrate. if he had a choice and so did the traders... how many would still get licensed?

come on... you aren't even making sense now.

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ratboy88
 

Registered: Dec 2003
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04-14-08 05:16 PM


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Not sure if you were around in '99, but I was, and I remember when they passed the Series 7 rule. At the time everyone and their mother started daytrading, I mean some serious losers, and thousands of people that had no clue of what they were doing were walking into firms that gave leverage (there were a ton of them back then) and smoking their whole savings/retirement in weeks.

Most firms were not doing any due diligence at all on the people they would let trade, and it was causing a major risk to stupid people's money. And as we know of the government, they always step in when stupid people lose money, such as all the subprime idiots buying mansions that our tax dollars are bailing out.




we called that time a BUBBLE! you speak of people losing their retirements? ummmm... with that type of money they can open an acct online and lose all they want... if they could go to a sub llc, they would put up a small amount and maybe have some pro's around them.

regardless... a 7 doesn't prevent any of these horrors you are so afraid of. it sounds like you want a nanny state... you want the government to save people from themselves? sorry... i want freedom and no govt intervention.


mark barton still would have killed people. he did it before he ever traded... don't blame trading on a guy being whacked. if firms want to do background checks.. fine. that does not require a non-related test to do.

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NazSpaz
 

Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 211

 

04-14-08 05:18 PM


Quote from ratboy88:

the $500 does not benefit you at all. it is not insurance. with the LLC's you saved more in commission in a month.... not to mention many required very small deposits. therefore your risk was quite small.



Paying the $500 to the exchange each year means that the firm has to then disclose their leverage daily to the exchange, has to file monthly capital reports with exchange examiners, is subject to two regulatory audits a year, among other things. (I do my homework)

Hmmmm, that versus saving $500 a year at an unregistered firm which is a couple of dudes with a website and my money, with no one looking over their shoulder to see what they do with my money, and no way to know if they have any other capital in the firm at all besides my money, no audits, no reporting requirements, and the risk that if they are caught they get shut down and what's left of my money goes into receivership for who knows how long.

To me, that $500 is major insurance, the best $500 a year I spend.



Quote from ratboy88:

the 7 is not a piddly test. it is a major pain in the ass.



I found it amazingly simple and many other people have sid the same. I did however say it keeps out the riff-raff..... draw your own conclusions.

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NazSpaz
 

Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 211

 

04-14-08 05:19 PM


Quote from ratboy88:

you completely missed the point of this. why did they not enforce this rule in 1998? or 97? or 96? u get it now? did congress pass a new law in 1999? NO... so therefore by what authority do they have to force us to get a 7?

who decides these rules? who do they really represent? the 7 has nothing to do with trading.. it is a farce.. it is for brokers dealing with the public.



Did you post this before reading my one above it about 1999 or do you feel my essay on the subject did not fully address it?

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