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hedgefund07
 

Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 32

 

04-13-08 09:01 PM

I am of the opinion that Tuco was definitely operating in a gray area. But this has done nothing to make it "black and white" This did not go to trial. So basically the SEC charged Tuco with numerous violations, some of which were complete BS. Tuco agreed to stop doing business without admitting or denying anything.

What most firms have done is to stop accepting deposits and requiring a profit split. They are still giving out more than 4-1. If a prop firm doesnt take a deposit, how can the SEC argue they are customers? Without taking a deposit, traders are truly trading the firms capital. If there is a profit split, a true partnership exists. Under these circumstances, a prop firm should be able to give more than 4-1 and mark up trades. I say "should" because the SEC has never come out and clarified their stance on prop trading LLC's. Instead, they are just bullying firms around by charging them with violation knowing that they can't afford to defend themselves.

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saico
 

Registered: Sep 2000
Posts: 435

 

04-13-08 09:10 PM


Quote from ratboy88:

if you read the complaint why can't you cite the law/statute/code that was violated?



2 Examples

Section 15(a) of the Securities Exchange Act 15 U.S.C. § 78o (a)
Section 15(b) of the Exchange Act 15 U.S.C. § 78o (b)

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ratboy88
 

Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 6163

 

04-13-08 09:12 PM

let's not forget that Don Bright admits they didn't need s7's till 1999 !!!!

the laws the SEC cite with Tuco are from 1934. anyone starting to smell something fishy here?

go read the laws the SEC uses to charge Tuco with.... they refer to "inducing the public to purchase securities through interstate means."

LMAOOOOOOOOOO... come on .. even idiots like monsterboy know this is a farce.

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ratboy88
 

Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 6163

 

04-13-08 09:13 PM


Quote from saico:

2 Examples

Section 15(a) of the Securities Exchange Act 15 U.S.C. § 78o (a)
Section 15(b) of the Exchange Act 15 U.S.C. § 78o (b)



LOL... took you long enough.


and section 10.... none of which have anything to do with the Tuco's business model. no one needed 7's till 1999... so what changed?

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saico
 

Registered: Sep 2000
Posts: 435

 

04-13-08 09:20 PM


Quote from ratboy88:

and section 10.... none of which have anything to do with the case.



I'm sorry for Tuco and all, who are affected by that. To me these rules, most of all the PDT rule make no sense either.

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zdreg
 

Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 8324

 

04-14-08 01:11 PM

tuco was acting as an unregulated broker.
after ignoring their business model for years which is similar to others the sec took action.
they were unlucky enough to get in the crosshairs of the SEC.

the remark as to whining stands. people on ET complain for years at length to losses of minimal amounts of money ie undoubtly the worst traders. life is unfair sometimes. you get knocked down. you bounce back by becoming a better trader without a word of complaint about the money.

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