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HolyGrail
 

Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 2803

 

03-22-08 08:53 PM

I came to ET about 2 years ago with the hope of picking up enough tidbits to become a day trader when I retire. I am definitely a type A personality, and I know I will go nuts if I don't keep my mind occupied. I think trading can keep my mind sharp for many years. I have been swing trading since 1997, but I wish I knew then what I know now.

Since I own my own business I currently have the best of both worlds. I can trade much of the day without affecting my business to any great length, and I have a great income coming in whether I am successful at trading or not. I am advantaged in that I don't have the pressures to succeed other than the pressures I place on myself. I have been successfully trading futures for only 5 months so I can't say I am , or my methods are the holy grail, but I do know at least for me my trading became consistently profitable when I allowed myself to trade with, and only with P&F charts.

I've tried just about every possible way to trade, but nothing gave me any indication of potential consistency. I did notice that some of the most successful traders only needed price to make money so I finally began pursuing charting techniques that would display price in such a way the eventually I would "get it" I looked at renko charts, tic charts, candlevolume charts, three line break charts, kagi charts, and finally point and figure charts.

This journal is being written to help those that want to learn how to read price with P&F charts. It's not going to be a "hey look what I made today journal". There will be no live trades called. I don't have time to work at the office, trade, and post. I will only answer questions during lunch, if I am available and in the evening.


If there is not any interest, I will stop the journal.

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gwac
 

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1021

 

03-22-08 08:57 PM

very interested



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I came to ET about 2 years ago with the hope of picking up enough tidbits to become a day trader when I retire. I am definitely a type A personality, and I know I will go nuts if I don't keep my mind occupied. I think trading can keep my mind sharp for many years. I have been swing trading since 1997, but I wish I knew then what I know now.

Since I own my own business I currently have the best of both worlds. I can trade much of the day without affecting my business to any great length, and I have a great income coming in whether I am successful at trading or not. I am advantaged in that I don't have the pressures to succeed other than the pressures I place on myself. I have been successfully trading futures for only 5 months so I can't say I am , or my methods are the holy grail, but I do know at least for me my trading became consistently profitable when I allowed myself to trade with, and only with P&F charts.

I've tried just about every possible way to trade, but nothing gave me any indication of potential consistency. I did notice that some of the most successful traders only needed price to make money so I finally began pursuing charting techniques that would display price in such a way the eventually I would "get it" I looked at renko charts, tic charts, candlevolume charts, three line break charts, kagi charts, and finally point and figure charts.

This journal is being written to help those that want to learn how to read price with P&F charts. It's not going to be a "hey look what I made today journal". There will be no live trades called. I don't have time to work at the office, trade, and post. I will only answer questions during lunch, if I am available and in the evening.


If there is not any interest, I will stop the journal.

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Reaver
 

Registered: Aug 2007
Posts: 3205

 

03-22-08 08:59 PM


Quote from gwac:

very interested



I've always found P&F charts to be interesting.

I'd like to hear more about them. I am very happy with the way I trade, and have been studying options for a long time now, which takes up most of my time......

But it would be interesting to see how you use P&F charting, etc. Always up for learning something new. Good idea HG.

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DonCorleone
 

Registered: Nov 2001
Posts: 1375

 

03-22-08 09:13 PM

HG, I'm definitely interested in learning more. I recently started using PnF charts and so far it has helped me become more consistent in intraday trading. I actually use PnF in conjunction with regular candlesticks and so far it has made a notable difference. It's alot easier to pick the trends and to stay out of chop. I only wish I had started utilizing it a long ago.

I look fwd to your contribution here. TIA.

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HolyGrail
 

Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 2803

 

03-22-08 09:28 PM

I'll be back shortly. I have some honey-do's to do. We have lots of people coming over for Easter.

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HolyGrail
 

Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 2803

 

03-22-08 09:54 PM

I am going to start at the very beginning so if you know nothing about P&F charts this will give you a basis to start your learning. Those that know something about P&F will find this extremely boring and I apologize in advance.


Before it is all through though I will actually give you some signals that are not in any book you will find, but I promise you they have high probabilities for success. Did I back test these signals? No I did not. I did forward test them though and they are doing great.

Now lets put up a chart of point values.


If you have a stock trading at the following prices the standard box size is given below. We need this box size so we know when there is a reversal. Typically we use three boxes for a reversal so if we have a box size of 1.00 we need a full 3.00 for a reversal.



As you can see, a stock selling at 5.00 and below will have a box size of .25 cents and a reversal of .75 (3 boxes)

So let's pretend we had a stock trading at 0. For every time the stock moves up .25 before it reverses .75 cents we will place an x in the current column. If this fictional stock went straight up to a dollar we would have a column of 4 x's. If it goes up to 1.25 before it reverses to .25 cents it will have 5 x's. When we have a reversal we use Zeros to represent a change in strength.

pnfpointvalues.png
This has been downloaded 8625 time(s).

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