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will a euro exit plan be accepted?
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this plan is not possible 9 50.00%
this plan will be accepted in next 6 months. 1 5.56%
50-50 possibility 3 16.67%
75%+possibility 3 16.67%
25%possibilty plan will be adopted 2 11.11%
Total: 18 votes 100%
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morganist
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05-30-12 11:06 AM


Quote from trefoil:

They'll wind up restarting their own currencies. It's the only sensible thing to do.
The "core", so called, might stay in, purely for the prestige factor. After a few years, more for some, less for others, they'll be forced to drop out in favor of the strongest one in the union. Between them, Finland is probably the weakest and would be out first. Among the remainder, they'd drop one by one until it was only the Germans and the Dutch. It'd be a tough fight between them, the former having the weight of numbers on its side, the latter the advantage of being small and therefore swifter. It'd be interesting, but of no significance to the global economy or even the future of the EU.



It is more complicated than that. All the debt that exists is in euro's so all the mortgages and other debt is paid back in euro's. If the debt was transfered to another currency then depreciated to pay it back the result is the same default.

What they are more likely to do it to introduce the old currency back in tangent with the euro. The old currency would be used to trade and then they will keep the existing debts in euro's so that they do not collapse the contract. This may work because it would make the deprecation needed to attract business in the countries and enable trade from outside the eurozone. But it will not have to default on the debt contracts that exist in the euro.

Also you are forgetting the success of the stronger states in the Euro is dependent on the weaker states in the Euro. Read this article I wrote it explains it.

http://morganisteconomics.blogspot....omic-model.html

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Whistlingleaf
 

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05-30-12 11:43 AM

A 2 currency Euro would be the sensible solution but I don't know how you get 17 countries to agree to it ...

How do you create a split for the debts that are outstanding ?

How do you get 17 countries to agree on anything ?

What about all the trading instruments ? are they in the new Euro or the old Euro ?

A Greek exit is 100% going to happen IMO - just a matter of when.

The Euros need to create an FDIC to stop the bank runs.

It'd be interesting to see what happens if they announced something like a 2 Euro system like 3 months out, and started trading it early. Would there be a 20% gap ? I think that would be better then having Greece drop out and have their own 50% gap ...

The market hates uncertainty - I don't see how 2012 can be an up year until some of the Euro issues resolve themselves.

Oh and OTM FXF calls are the way I'm playing a 2 Euro possibility.

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asap
 

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05-30-12 11:44 AM

merkel puts berlin in the middle of russia, which signals the annexation of those territories soon.

i call for the federalization of the euro zone and euro-bonds still this year.

uk and eastern europe throw in the towel and join the euro bandwagon by Y14.

greece, spain, portugal and south of italy to become country wide resorts for hard working nordics and chinese tycoons, while germany will keep euro-zone productivity levels through the roof with their merkel-auchwits behavioral dogma.

monetization of euro bonds will be defacto standard in this new era. fed will start taking lessons with his new master.

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morganist
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05-30-12 12:21 PM


Quote from Whistlingleaf:

A 2 currency Euro would be the sensible solution but I don't know how you get 17 countries to agree to it ...

How do you create a split for the debts that are outstanding ?

How do you get 17 countries to agree on anything ?

What about all the trading instruments ? are they in the new Euro or the old Euro ?

A Greek exit is 100% going to happen IMO - just a matter of when.

The Euros need to create an FDIC to stop the bank runs.

It'd be interesting to see what happens if they announced something like a 2 Euro system like 3 months out, and started trading it early. Would there be a 20% gap ? I think that would be better then having Greece drop out and have their own 50% gap ...

The market hates uncertainty - I don't see how 2012 can be an up year until some of the Euro issues resolve themselves.

Oh and OTM FXF calls are the way I'm playing a 2 Euro possibility.



Reintroduce the original currency of the country and run it along side the euro. That would enable the old debts to be satisfied and the economy to work again.

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