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kidPWRtrader
 

Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 567

 

08-08-10 07:40 PM

I have been toying around with my system which is largely trend following. My accuracy to t1 is in region of 48-57% depending on some factors for my main setup. For the same setup the accuracy to t1 is 23-25%.

In the past, I have let all my plays run to t2, but now I started to re-examine this and think in terms of profit factor. Sometimes the r/r for t2 is much greater than for t1 but sometimes it isn't THAT much greater.

Now, I do sometimes have t3s that are very big lotto plays, but their accuracy is even lower (~15%).

Recently I started to play around with the idea that my profit factor to t1 should be 2 but to t2 should perhaps be 3 if I wish to carry a large portion of position past t1. This is due to a psychological preference for accuracy, I am putting a premium on taking a lower accuracy play. And to take a play I must either have profit factor 2 to t1 or 3 to t2.

Anybody who approaches the market for exits in a scaleout methodology have any input on this?

My r/r to t1 is anywhere from 1:1-3 r/r on average and to t2 is usually from 1:3 --> 1:10 depending on the price action (not sure what the mean is).

Thanks,

Kid.

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kidPWRtrader
 

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08-11-10 11:21 PM

In case anyone is interested, I established an approach where I always scale a minimum of 1/3 or 1/4 @ target 1 (and a maximum of closing the position) and I carry the majority of the position into T2 if T2's profit factor is at least 1.25*PF of the Target 1. Im letting 25% be the premium for lower accuracy. The minimum PF for me to take a trade is 2 for t1 and thus, 2.5 for t2.

This allows me to carry the runners when it makes sense on the bottomline dollars...

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intradaybill
 

Registered: Feb 2008
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08-12-10 04:05 PM

What is your definition of "profit factor"?

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kidPWRtrader
 

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08-13-10 02:25 PM

Average Win Gross/Average loss Gross

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intradaybill
 

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08-13-10 04:49 PM


Quote from kidPWRtrader:

Average Win Gross/Average loss Gross



That is NOT the definition of profit factor. If you would like to properly communicate with other traders it is better to use standard definitions.

profit factor = sum of winning trades/sum of losing trades

Otherwise you are risking not being understood by others.

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kidPWRtrader
 

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08-13-10 06:21 PM

For what I needed, it was ok to standardize it since my risk is always 1% the profit factor becomes

(%win)(R/R to Target 1) / (% lose)

Hope this clears things up. Just was looking to share ...

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