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total_keops
 

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07-29-12 12:59 PM


Quote from newwurldmn:

You don't pay any margin in your example. You have 20k in cash. You buy 20k in stock. You are not using Margin yet but have the capacity to buy an additional 20k of stock. You sell your options which reduced your margin capacity by 8k but your still haven't borrowed any money. So you now can buy 12k of stock on margin (paying interest) if you want.


Isn't it that he reduced his margin capacity by 7.4k and can now buy 12.6k? The credit for the puts sold is in the cash account and assumed earned?

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Rationalize
 

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07-29-12 03:13 PM


Quote from newwurldmn:

You don't pay any margin in your example. You have 20k in cash. You buy 20k in stock. You are not using Margin yet but have the capacity to buy an additional 20k of stock. You sell your options which reduced your margin capacity by 8k but your still haven't borrowed any money. So you now can buy 12k of stock on margin (paying interest) if you want.


* may be some haircut as the option is not over this stock.

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hajimow
 

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07-29-12 07:01 PM


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Now back to your question. Your first trade on the stock, will use 50% margin and you will pay interest on that. The second trade you are selling option on a stock that you don't have and that will need cash to support that trade (for calculation of the amount of cash to support naked options, check with your broker)and then you will also need to pay interest on that part too. So the second trade will increase the interest that you need to pay.

You had 20K, and when you trade that second option trade, you only have 12K and since you have bought 40K worth of stocks, you are borrowing 28K from your broker.



I correct myself. My answer was on the assumption that you bought 40K worth of stocks in the first place. When you sell the options, you get $600 but you need that plus $8000 cash to maintain that position, so your cash will be $12K and you had already bought 20K worth of stocks, so you pay interest on that $8K that you have borrowed.

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newwurldmn
 

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07-29-12 08:32 PM


Quote from Rationalize:

* may be some haircut as the option is not over this stock.



If it were a buy write his purchasing power would still be 20k and he would be using no margin. If he were selling puts then it would be as if they were different underlings. This is for a reg t.

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