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shopster
 

Registered: Jul 2011
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01-17-12 09:54 PM

retail trader left , diverge market maker right........

also read up on hidden diverge.

most of retail has no clue.

cheers,

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PARACLESE
 

Registered: Dec 2006
Posts: 428

 

01-20-12 02:45 AM

this thread sounds like a bunch of old ladies arguing about the best way to lay tile as per their experience with shows on hgtv.

let me guess, you guys are going to try to automate this crap on ninjatrader with hopes of making big bux right?

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FreakofNature
 

Registered: Jun 2011
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01-20-12 03:00 AM

There is nothing to argue about, divergence is as good as random.

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tenthousandmen
 

Registered: Dec 2011
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01-20-12 03:15 AM


Quote from MarketAddict:

Is anyone using divergence successfully? RSI divergence, MACD div etc? Just curious because I'm backtesting divergence strategies and so far I like what I see.

These indicators are not systems... they're ways to technically gauge the market beyond candle sticks and volume charts.

Divergences are one of the most useful ways to use the two indicators you listed, and many more. They give a strong technical foundation to what will probably happen down the road. They can be used in 5 minute time frames, or even daily charts.

Writing code that would properly interpret each of these indicators would be very complicated... a finished compiled program would take one guy at least a few days full time. These indicators are "raw" standard indicators that are designed for discretionary trading.

Read more on the MACD, RSI, MFI, Accumulation / Distribution, CMO, CMF, VROC, TSI and others at chartschool, investopedia and wikipedia. These indicators are just the beginning of ways to read the market, as well as other algorithms that can be used as part of system building. Ninjatrader has the most 'standard indicators' built in (around 100-200).


Quote from FreakofNature:

There is nothing to argue about, divergence is as good as random.



LOL! I'll tell you what, lets make a bet. You place your long orders, and I'll sell them to you over the exchange on the short side. We'll meet again on the 1st and see who wins.


Quote from MarketAddict:

Tell you the truth, I only bactested for 2 weeks manually. 2 weeks or a month of ok results from backtesting usually peak my interest. And then from there I will usually start bactesing some more. But I was just curious if anyone here was using div successfully.

I'm using the RSI for bactesing.



You should also pull up contracts from last quarter and in 2010 (do this from now on too, two weeks of semiobjective data is like sampling public opinion on seniors by asking five high school students). I think I know what you're talking about... there has been HUGE divergence for the past two weeks with no real kicker selloff yet. The selloffs are there, they're just small. What's really brewing is not disfunctioning indicators, but a huge bearish flag that's been going on for almost two weeks now. I've been talking about this in the ES journal thread and a few other places, search my posts if you'd like to check it out.

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FreakofNature
 

Registered: Jun 2011
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01-20-12 03:38 AM


Quote from tenthousandmen:


LOL! I'll tell you what, lets make a bet. You place your long orders, and I'll sell them to you over the exchange on the short side. We'll meet again on the 1st and see who wins.




There are better ways to prove me wrong.

You could post a detailed backtest study showing the positive expectancy or you could post live calls with clear stop placement in a timely fashion to shut me up, but no, instead an egotistical response is what I got.

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tenthousandmen
 

Registered: Dec 2011
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01-21-12 12:03 AM


Quote from FreakofNature:

There are better ways to prove me wrong.

You could post a detailed backtest study showing the positive expectancy or you could post live calls with clear stop placement in a timely fashion to shut me up, but no, instead an egotistical response is what I got.

Are you as dumb as you sound? You're the egotistical laughable and usual ET'er. Go read my post again. Read about the big inability to backtest divergences.

You should be taking off your expert hat more often; if you did, maybe divergence recognition would allow you to better judge a move in the coming days and weeks. Instead you throw it out as useless. Maybe you wouldn't be able to recognize the most lucrative system ever if it were presented to you on a silver platter because you act like such a bozo. Out.

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