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justrading
 

Registered: Apr 2011
Posts: 840

 

04-14-13 12:08 AM


Quote from hajimow:

Some info as an experienced trader who trades a lot of options in IB:

1- Order cancellation fees are shown as fees in your daily statement only if the cancellation fees are more than your credit for option trades on that day
2- Cancellation fees do not apply to combinational orders because those orders are not directly sent to the exchanges. They get executed only if the order's condition is met. So you can cancel and modify your combinational orders one billion times a day (exaggeration) you don't pay any cancellation fee
3- MM can see your combinational orders and sometimes on very active options they try to make a deal on your order and execute it if it is somewhere in the middle or very close to get excecuted.
4- The chance that you get rebate on your combo option orders are much lower than single option orders as combo orders get executed when the price changes and they become like market orders.
5- When you close an option position for 1 cents, IB does not charge you any commission but if one leg of an option is traded at 1 cents, IB " might" charge you a commission. Say you want to close an option (buy an option) and sell same option for next month with the credit of 10 cents. You might see that the first let was bought at 1 cent and the second legt was sold at 11 cents and you were charged commission for both legs (not always). This happens and you should not complain because you had a combo order and your order was not specifically to close the first let at one cents.



This is helpful, thanks.

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hajimow
 

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 2658

 

04-14-13 02:09 AM

Another idea for those who claim that IB's cancellation fee is still killing them and is a very big part of their trading cost is to add a 1 cent option to their single order option and make it a combo so they can cancel it anytime but the problem is that their oder won't be seen in the bid and ask because the order is not sent to the exchange. Let me explain.
You want to buy a 55 call for a stock that is trading at 50. Let's assume that the bid/ask is 0.2/0.25. You want to but 10 contracts at 0.24. If you put your order, for penny adjusted stocks the bid/ask will change to 0.20/0.24 ( for non penny adjusted options, you will still see 0.2/0.25 but you will be the first seller and your order will execute faster at 0.24 or even at 0.25 if there is a trade.
Now to bypass the cancellation fee, you can add to buy a very out of the money call/put which has no buyers and the ask is 0.01.
Then you can put a combo order to buy both at 0.25 (0.24+0.01).
Now if you change your mind and modify your combo order, you won't pay cancellation fee. However you will pay $1 for that almost worthless option. Who knows, that worthless option might also make you rich.

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marcoPolo21
 

Registered: Apr 2011
Posts: 136

 

04-15-13 06:07 AM

is there a fee to
change an active limit buy or sell order to "Pause"?

this would basically Cancel the order, if not activated again

marc

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benwm
 

Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 1309

 

04-15-13 09:36 AM

dst - Have you considered eliminating Eurex cancellation fees?

(I switched from IB as my main broker because of these fees - for me the cost over the year was over £5,000 so I saved quite a lot by changing broker)

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surfer25
 

Registered: Jan 2007
Posts: 147

 

04-17-13 07:29 PM


Quote from dst:

For your information, we drastically lowered US Options modifications and cancellation fees, they are now $0.01 per modify or cancel, with a possibility of a credit (towards cancelation or modification cost), see here http://www.interactivebrokers.com/e...rFees&p=cancel2


You will make a lot more in commissions from me due to this change.

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